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How to set AK on fire!!

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:37 pm

PokerStars Hand #95646147438: Tournament #2013004022, $5.25+$5.25+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2013/03/16 14:31:18 ET
Table '2013004022 1414' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ryan1111 (4965 in chips)
Seat 2: spi1593 (3675 in chips)
Seat 3: pedrolliveir (6369 in chips)
Seat 4: adi_mara (3395 in chips)
Seat 5: EHOTTUK (4396 in chips)
Seat 6: hellhippo (4675 in chips)
Seat 7: bigjimmo (8710 in chips)
Seat 8: a0100428 (4565 in chips)
Seat 9: cashgame81 (4250 in chips)
hellhippo: posts small blind 25
bigjimmo: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Ks Ac]
a0100428: folds
cashgame81: folds
ryan1111: raises 100 to 150
spi1593: folds
pedrolliveir: raises 252 to 402
adi_mara: folds
EHOTTUK: folds
hellhippo: folds
bigjimmo: folds
ryan1111: raises 298 to 700
pedrolliveir: raises 599 to 1299
ryan1111: ???


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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  JodaB. on Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:00 pm

this is a big leak...

this is the fix

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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  JodaB. on Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:00 pm

also thread should be called how to set ak on fire ;p you'll see...
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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  sngking on Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:44 pm

HAHA I like that guy and that video. Smile

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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  JodaB. on Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:56 pm

sngking wrote:HAHA I like that guy and that video. Smile
but what questions do you have though?
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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  sngking on Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:10 pm

JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:HAHA I like that guy and that video. Smile
but what questions do you have though?


None cause the answer is to fold AK nowadays. Wink

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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  JodaB. on Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:29 pm

sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:HAHA I like that guy and that video. Smile
but what questions do you have though?


None cause the answer is to fold AK nowadays. Wink
well would a better answer be why fold (to a 5bet) when we could have flatted a 3bet and tried to hit a Axx Kxx flop ?
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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:08 pm

this is better
PokerStars Hand #95668095140: Tournament #711010966, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2013/03/16 21:55:03 ET
Table '711010966 114' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Allustriuz (20989 in chips)
Seat 2: floors52 (3243 in chips)
Seat 3: gildasio (3255 in chips)
Seat 4: baochau0708 (14163 in chips)
Seat 5: wouter rossi (6610 in chips)
Seat 6: isscrick (8905 in chips)
Seat 7: P Johns101 (7729 in chips)
Seat 8: ryan1111 (5355 in chips)
Seat 9: Salugi (7975 in chips)
Allustriuz: posts the ante 15
floors52: posts the ante 15
gildasio: posts the ante 15
baochau0708: posts the ante 15
wouter rossi: posts the ante 15
isscrick: posts the ante 15
P Johns101: posts the ante 15
ryan1111: posts the ante 15
Salugi: posts the ante 15
isscrick: posts small blind 60
P Johns101: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Ah Ks]
ryan1111: raises 120 to 240
Salugi: calls 240
Allustriuz: calls 240
floors52: folds
gildasio: folds
baochau0708: raises 360 to 600
wouter rossi: folds
isscrick: folds
P Johns101: folds
ryan1111: calls 360
Salugi: folds
Allustriuz: calls 360
*** FLOP *** [6h 2h 8s]
ryan1111: checks
Allustriuz: checks
baochau0708: bets 600
ryan1111: folds
Allustriuz: calls 600
*** TURN *** [6h 2h 8s] [8c]
Allustriuz: checks
baochau0708: bets 1200
Allustriuz: raises 18574 to 19774 and is all-in
baochau0708: calls 11748 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (6826) returned to Allustriuz
*** RIVER *** [6h 2h 8s 8c] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Allustriuz: shows [Tc Ac] (a pair of Eights)
baochau0708: shows [Qh Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
baochau0708 collected 29451 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 29451 | Rake 0
Board [6h 2h 8s 8c 3d]
Seat 1: Allustriuz showed [Tc Ac] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: floors52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: gildasio folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: baochau0708 showed [Qh Qs] and won (29451) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 5: wouter rossi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: isscrick (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: P Johns101 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ryan1111 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Salugi folded before Flop

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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  sngking on Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:40 am

JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:HAHA I like that guy and that video. Smile
but what questions do you have though?


None cause the answer is to fold AK nowadays. Wink
well would a better answer be why fold (to a 5bet) when we could have flatted a 3bet and tried to hit a Axx Kxx flop ?


Cause the A or K never hits as seen above. Very Happy

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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:01 am

I so agree, it doesn't hit often! But at least it's not costing us most of our stack or even all off it.

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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  JodaB. on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:05 pm

Well we can find a stat on how often we flop AXX or KXX or AKX prob a good assignment to find the % on them

Anyways, the idea with the video is when look at AK and think 'ok I raise cause I have ak' and the villain 5bets, we've nutted his range, he never 5bets with worse (rare) and therefore we are getting it in vs QQ+ because he always fold his air to a 4bet.

So if we are going to feel screwed if we get re-raised then we should just flat or fold in the first place.

Now if we have 50bbs or 100bbs vs a reg thats a little looser we might just get AK in anyways and just shrug our shoulders to it.

A little side not, we don't want to flat hands out of position vs 3bets either, so often we'll make tight folds here with aj etc. But flatting AK out of position here will be better than 6bet/calling, even if we play post flop face up.
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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:26 am

JodaB. wrote:Well we can find a stat on how often we flop AXX or KXX or AKX prob a good assignment to find the % on them

A pair (AXX or KXX) - 32% of the time
Pair Both cards (AKX) - 2% of the time

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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  JodaB. on Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:27 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:Well we can find a stat on how often we flop AXX or KXX or AKX prob a good assignment to find the % on them

A pair (AXX or KXX) - 32% of the time
Pair Both cards (AKX) - 2% of the time
so we hit about 1/3 times
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Re: How to set AK on fire!!

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 am

Which is about the same equity we have against a nutted range. So should we turn to implied odds to proceed in this hand?

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