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Crazy Nash thought

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:47 pm

Pls tell me if this is crazy or not?


In another thread you had said players do think about effective stacks. So if this is the case then would say I'm crazy if I min raised the top & bottom of my Nash ranges when we have an effective stack over 10.

Lets say we're in MP2 with 12bb with deep and small stacks behind...
Nash says to shove this
22+,A3s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,A9o+,KJo+,QJo

Instead of just shoving this entire range, would this be profitable in the long run.

Top of RNG: R/C, Bottom of RNG:R/F to a deeper stack, R/C a shorter stack
JJ+,66-22,A9s-A3s,K9s,Q9s,J9s,T8s+,98s,ATo,KJo+,QJo

Middle of the Rng: Just ship
TT-77,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo+

If they don't think about effective stack, then some deeper stacks are going to ship tighter and smaller stacks looser. So this increases the value of the bottom of our range when calling a shorter stack and decreases the value against deeper stack shoves. (not talking about super deepstacks, maybe like 15-20bb range)



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Re: Crazy Nash thought

Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:08 pm

I love crazy thoughts but this one isn't crazy, you are talking a polarized range.

We can even model your example in the nash calculator, by modeling the same hh with a push/fold example and the same with a min raise/fold/call example and see whats more +ev.

lll certainly min fold the bottom of my range when there is a tight reg that is deeper than the rest.

There is a danger of course if Joda is still to act, because he might realize you are polarize and call you with 22 or A2s since you have so many bw and not likely an Ace if i have one Wink

So we can take notes on players when we see them min call AA with 12 bbs then if the shove the same amount they are capped. If the min fold 12bbs later then we know they are polarized if they shove.

Also sometimes we min raise 72o and we are forced to call a short stack anyways. We might still do this or in some spots with no bigger stack we might shove to maximize fold equity.

In icm spots we might favour min folding 44 even if shoving is more profitable.

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Re: Crazy Nash thought

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:15 pm

ya, OBV we wouldn't do this against a calling station.. and I was also thinking kinda the same thing as u, against plrs we have history we can adjust this play

edit:the reason I thought this was crazy is because everything i have learned so far says to shove under15bb

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Re: Crazy Nash thought

Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:27 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:

edit:the reason I thought this was crazy is because everything i have learned so far says to shove under15bb
to be clear the reason I pointed out it wasn't crazy was so you can understand its something very logical you deduced from having strong fundamentals.
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