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ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:28 pm

18 PLR Final Table, 4 Pay
I had 200 hands on this opponent at the time of this 3bet shove.
He's a fishy 27/12 (3bet 7.8 )

Table '676328076 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ryan1111 (2420 in chips)
Seat 3: THMF (9445 in chips)
Seat 4: tucan2006 (4243 in chips)
Seat 5: Beara1 (2729 in chips)
Seat 6: Schlango (1560 in chips)
Seat 7: ACEACEallinu (2318 in chips)
Seat 8: foxxius (640 in chips)
Seat 9: drBuca (3645 in chips)
Schlango: posts small blind 75
ACEACEallinu: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Qs Ks]
foxxius: folds
drBuca: folds
ryan1111: raises 150 to 300
THMF: folds
tucan2006: raises 3943 to 4243 and is all-in
Beara1: folds
Schlango: folds
ACEACEallinu: folds
ryan1111:??

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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:11 am

What kind of hands do you think villain 3bets here?
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:16 am

A little tighter range than his 3bet stats TT+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+

Math says yes, but image says no. that why I'm a bit confused. Math should be first tho

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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:04 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:A little tighter range than his 3bet stats TT+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+

Math says yes, but image says no. that why I'm a bit confused. Math should be first tho
that not a bad range, try to add ATs if you have Ajo cause thats reasonable. Why do you say the math said yes? Did you pokerstove your hand vs this range yet?
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:32 pm

Shove pre
H will be H.

Shove is +ev so shove > fold. But min raise > shove
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:34 pm

I gotta say fold in a vacuum. big thing is tho, don't put yourself in this spot, I might actually just straight up fold this pre since it's so disgusting stackwise
This is crazy talk though.
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:46 pm

Ha ha You're still trolling the pokerforum.

Ya I think we're a little to deep to ship this in a SNG, Folding pre seems really ridiculous like you said, I really expected a call more than a shove based on my opponents.

And yes at the time I did pokerstove it, I put in his 3bet pct., took a look at the range and reduced it slightly because he is a fishy player. His range based on the numbers is 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AQo+, but since hes a bad player I thought hes not going to ship with the bottom of his range and probably not ship with ATs, maybe with AJo because hes probably not considering suited is better. I know a while back I valued AJo more than ATs, I know everyone is different, but this seemed to fit for a fish.

So now his range is roughly this TT+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+. We have 35% equity against his new range 40% against his original range. Now I'm thinking I should call because with my money in it's more than a double up.

After the game I did a EV calc. and it confirmed the hand was +EV (it was 298.5 +cEV) so I was fine based the numbers, after what I read this week about player images, we should be folding in this spot. This is why I posted the hand.

EV Calc. - (4790*0.35) + (-2120*0.65) = +298.5 cEV

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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:33 pm

I think you made a small mistake somewhere, the way im seeing it you have to call 2140 to win 2945 thats gonna give you 1.4ish to 1 odds and means you need 42% equity ...does that sounds right?
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:54 pm

haha thx i just learned something new. i cant include my stack into the winning side. so it was a terrible call thanks


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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  Smoker.B. on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:58 pm

JodaB. wrote:
Shove pre
H will be H.

Shove is +ev so shove > fold. But min raise > shove

boss hand tho Twisted Evil
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  JodaB. on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:19 am

Smoker.B. wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
Shove pre
H will be H.

Shove is +ev so shove > fold. But min raise > shove

boss hand tho Twisted Evil
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:33 am

lol its more like boss's wife hand in this spot!

I downloaded a equity chart to help me out.

Joda is the boss, thx again

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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  JodaB. on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:35 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:lol its more like boss's wife hand in this spot!

I downloaded a equity chart to help me out.

Joda is the boss, thx again
ya try to think of it the way i did. i think we can min fold here, shoving is ok too but since we have blockers we rarely get reshoved on anyways. without antes try and utg (cause your range looks so strong) error on the tight side.
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Re: ALL IN 3BET SHOVE

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:51 am

IC IC 88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo is more of range we can call. we have more hands dominated & live hands

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