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A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:00 pm

PokerStars Hand #101849522145: Tournament #765127521, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2013/07/24 20:32:48 ET
Table '765127521 4' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: tyzone6 (4156 in chips)
Seat 2: RaksakII (12486 in chips)
Seat 3: hayashi12 (16910 in chips)
Seat 4: sapatas777 (18909 in chips)
Seat 5: Beenladen555 (6634 in chips)
Seat 6: Armattias (10777 in chips)
Seat 7: ironman18751 (19730 in chips)
Seat 8: Fido1546 (6731 in chips)
Seat 9: ryan1111 (12388 in chips)
tyzone6: posts the ante 100
RaksakII: posts the ante 100
hayashi12: posts the ante 100
sapatas777: posts the ante 100
Beenladen555: posts the ante 100
Armattias: posts the ante 100
ironman18751: posts the ante 100
Fido1546: posts the ante 100
ryan1111: posts the ante 100
tyzone6: posts small blind 500
RaksakII: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [5h Js]
hayashi12: folds
sapatas777: folds
Beenladen555: folds
Armattias: folds
ironman18751: folds
Fido1546: folds
ryan1111: MIN ATC
tyzone6: CALL WITH ATC
RaksakII: FOLD (RANGE REQ. TO CALL 44+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,AJo+)

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:12 pm

I don't believe the sb is calling with ATC.
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:21 am

JodaB. wrote:I don't believe the sb is calling with ATC.

Oops didn't paste the other part

No you're right Smile that's my opening range and my calling range against the SB or BB if one of them ships

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:07 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:I don't believe the sb is calling with ATC.

Oops didn't paste the other part

No you're right :)that's my opening range and my calling range against the SB or BB if one of them ships
well we need to know how often we get through, so we need to know there 3bet shove ranges.
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:12 pm

We get called or shoved 100% of the time so we should not raise ATC We should stick to raising for value. So it wouldn't be ATC.

Just leaving work so ill post hand ranges when I get home.

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:34 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:We get called or shoved 100% of the time so we should not raise ATC We should stick to raising for value. So it wouldn't be ATC.

Just leaving work so ill post hand ranges when I get home.
no we don't get called or shove 100% at all i think.
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:55 pm

I think we get called or shoved enough not to raise ATC
Going to fire up my computer had a thought why it wouldn't be 100%( after I posted I thought about it a bit more)

Let me go work some numbers
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:30 pm

so if the SB is good player and thinks the BU is raising for value against the blinds. i have to assignthe sb a 3bet shove range of 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,73s+,62s+,52s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q3o+,J6o+,T6o+,96o+,85o+,75o+,65o (73.8%)

and if the sb folds i would assign the bb a range of 22+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+(10.1%)

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:05 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:so if the SB is good player and thinks the BU is raising for value  against the blinds.
When has this happened in the history of the 2's that a sb thought this way?

i have to assignthe sb a 3bet shove range of 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,73s+,62s+,52s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q3o+,J6o+,T6o+,96o+,85o+,75o+,65o (73.8%)
does this pass the sanity test that the sb is going to play these hands?

and if the sb folds i would assign the bb a range of 22+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+(10.1%)
not bad but i think maybe not every pair, and a few more aces and maybe kjo kqo.
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:16 pm

what do you mean by the 2's?

as for the sb

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo or are you suggesting he's still not 3 betting more than 10% cause that seems wrong to me

sorry wasnt using real gameplay here, i was using two btp's in the blinds

why would you kjo and kqo, but not suited broadways?

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:33 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:what do you mean by the 2's?
2.50$ games

as for the sb

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo or are you suggesting he's still not 3 betting more than 10% cause that seems wrong to me
i think hes more but you wrote 73.8%

sorry wasnt using real gameplay here, i was using two btp's in the blinds
why? Wink

why would you kjo and kqo, but not suited broadways?
i meant kjs kqo

We need the reshove range of each opponent and not a made up one that doesn't have to do with the hand history Wink
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:52 pm

JodaB. wrote:
RWPKRPLR1 wrote:so if the SB is good player and thinks the BU is raising for value  against the blinds.
When has this happened in the history of the 2's that a sb thought this way?
yesterday Shocked

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:05 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
RWPKRPLR1 wrote:so if the SB is good player and thinks the BU is raising for value  against the blinds.
When has this happened in the history of the 2's that a sb thought this way?
yesterday Shocked
we thought this way but our villains never do. We are interested in their calling ranges for real.
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:30 pm

OK sorry to do this, but i need to start over had to look at their image

both players are virtually unknowns
sb is trending towards a fish and bb is trending towards a lag
SB-12hands 17/0 3b 0 and the BB 27hands 33/23 3b 0

new ranges
SB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
BB- 77+,ATs+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo

THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:46 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:OK sorry to do this, but i need to start over had to look at their image

both players are virtually unknowns
sb is trending towards a fish and bb is trending towards a lag
SB-12hands 17/0 3b 0 and the BB 27hands 33/23 3b 0

new ranges
SB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
BB- 77+,ATs+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo

THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT
the hud stats are not going to be useful since the sample size is way to small.

I like your ranges though.

The idea is our min raise needs to get through about 50% of the time to be +ev, and the means EACH villain needs to call or 3bet around 30% of hands to make it not +ev with atc. IF one calls a lot less than 30% then the other could still call slightly more and it will be +ev.

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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:06 pm

SB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
BB- 77+,ATs+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo

SO WE CAN RAISE ATC HERE, BUT NOT HERE

SB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
BB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o



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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:28 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:SB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
BB- 77+,ATs+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo
yes and then what do we call?
SO WE CAN RAISE ATC HERE, BUT NOT HERE

SB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
BB - 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
this is not relevant Wink
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:14 am

was busy yesterday, but here are the calling ranges

ATC against SB, 44+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo against the BB

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:29 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:was busy yesterday, but here are the calling ranges

ATC against SB, 44+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo against the BB
did you do the math on this Id say we are calling 22+ and a9s + vs bb.
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:06 pm

but we need 40%

a9s only has 37%

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:14 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:but we need 40%

a9s only has 37%
ah bb range is way too tight, any or most pair, most aces most bw. people love to push light in these spots, even rec players.


And don't worry I dont always like to find perfect specific answers, sometimes its good to just walk around possibilities.

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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:16 pm

ahhhh you said my ranges were good lol

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Re: A BU line check

Post  JodaB. on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:18 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:ahhhh you said my ranges were good lol
I was more saying yes we can raise atc, we hadn't fully talked about the validity of your 3bet bb range Wink

Regardless its wider
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Re: A BU line check

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:21 pm

Shocked Laughing 

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