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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:20 pm

Very Happy Very Happy didnt look at the HH text up top, used PT4 re-player lol

so we can start min/callin at 11bb<-just learned something new.


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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:23 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:Very Happy Very Happy didnt look at the HH text up top, used PT4 re-player lol

so we can start min/callin at 11bb<-just learned something new.

Well its a good idea as a generally rule until you really understand all this, because min folding under 10bbs is pretty exploitable and someone could shove atc on you and profit.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD NEVER DO IT.

Its just a good base to have as a general rule.

11 bbs min fold is close...12 or more is pretty std. But less is not a good idea until you have a really solid foundation and really solid reads.
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:28 pm

so when we have a large sample size for fold to steal % and a opponent folds 100% the time we can start doing this against them <12bb

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:32 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:so when we have a large sample size for fold to steal % and a opponent folds 100% the time we can start doing this against them <12bb
Did you just suggest the opponent might fold 100%? Or you mean fold/orshove but never flats?

Umm ya thats possible be we don't want to lay down something like that, as you come up to spots that we work through you'll understand.

Best is to get into a spot in game and save the hh with notes.

But this also helps you learn what notes to take, once you see a villain flat or 3bet k9o, then you know there range for not folding is at least 30%
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:55 pm

I was just suggesting we have an opponent that never defends.

As for making notes about someone's range

When I see a player flat/ shove k9 I should add the effective stack to it, so I know that villain is at least 30% under that effective stack size. Or does that matter?

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:04 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:I was just suggesting we have an opponent that never defends.

As for making notes about someone's range

When I see a player flat/ shove k9 I should add the effective stack to it, so I know that villain is at least 30% under that effective stack size. Or does that matter?
yes exactly it does matter because it helps us understand our oppenent, but we might not need an exact stack size to make a read.

For example a player who plays loose with 14 bbs is likely to play loose with 16 right?
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:14 am

JodaB. wrote:
RWPKRPLR1 wrote:I was just suggesting we have an opponent that never defends.

As for making notes about someone's range

When I see a player flat/ shove k9 I should add the effective stack to it, so I know that villain is at least 30% under that effective stack size. Or does that matter?
yes exactly it does matter because it helps us understand our oppenent, but we might not need an exact stack size to make a read.

For example a player who plays loose with 14 bbs is likely to play loose with 16 right?

No but under that he will

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:22 am

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No but under that he will
I think you are mistaken in thinking this player knows the difference in stacks like you might, instead I think we can assume loose players will be loose.

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:37 am

Ok so if we see a player do this at anytime, we can assign him a 30% range.


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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:39 am

If we have seen two opponents do this and they're the blinds. We should adjust to our value shove range against it. Or just one opponent

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:45 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:Ok so if we see a player do this at anytime, we can assign him a 30% range.

no we just no that in general they are looser than we would assign vs a rando in each spot.


RWPKRPLR1 wrote:If we have seen two opponents do this and they're the blinds. We should adjust to our value shove range against it. Or just one opponent
Well we would adjust wider for two than vs one thats all.
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:45 pm

We can min call under 10bb right!
Stupid question, we just can't r/f
I must misread your post earlier I was so confused work while trying to justify it


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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:47 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:We can min call under 10bb right!
yes we might do that vs rec players to induce a call or shove vs our nut hands like qq+. But often in todays game you might as well shove because even newbie know to call shoves a little wide.

there is a danger though if player sees you do this and adjusts...

What might they do to adjust?
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:49 pm

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RWPKRPLR1 wrote:We can min call under 10bb right!
yes we might do that vs rec players to induce a call or shove vs our nut hands like qq+.  But often in todays game you might as well shove because even newbie know to call shoves a little wide.

there is a danger though if  player sees you do this and adjusts...

What might they do to adjust?

That's what I was thinking at work!!

They will shove tighter

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:52 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:
That's what I was thinking at work!!

They will shove tighter
yes now there is something to learn that you are prob at that stage.

There is always two aspects to an adjustment that can be made.

We are min raising our strong hands so villains rehove tight.

What is the other thing they can do to exploit our strategy?
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:55 pm

call with hands that play good post flop


nope fold

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:56 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:call with hands that play good post flop
no because no hands play good post flop oop vs our nutted min raise range.

Any other ideas?

Think about the rest of your range (and what you would do with it)....
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:58 pm

edited my post just fold

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:59 pm

shoving is def our best option

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:00 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:shoving is def our best option
yes you are shoving the rest of your range...and what will villains adjustment be vs this aspect of your range?
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:01 pm

call tighter

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:04 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:call tighter
are you saying that villain will call/shove vs your min raises tighter because you have the nuts always...

but

will also call your shoves tighter?
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:08 pm

no i was saying they will call my shove tighter, prob dropping off the bottom of their range

or they may call looser cause they think my range is wider

i like my 2nd option better

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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  JodaB. on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:13 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:no i was saying they will call my shove tighter, prob dropping off the bottom of their range

or they may call looser cause they think my range is wider

i like my 2nd option better
villains see you min raise QQ KK and AA with 10bbs. Next time they see you shove...what can they assume about your shove range?
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Re: Range the Blinds

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:57 pm

It's tight and we can open up

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