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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:58 am

yes, because I didn't see their cards

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:08 am

there's alot of info given away on this hand, what are all the notes you would take here?

PokerStars Hand #103915703441: Tournament #786121696, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2013/09/10 2:08:52 ET
Table '786121696 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: RioYuehLee (1455 in chips)
Seat 2: ryan1111 (2150 in chips)
Seat 3: gibble777 (1405 in chips)
Seat 4: killapeda (2915 in chips)
Seat 5: Andreavc (1180 in chips)
Seat 6: A777BX (1480 in chips)
Seat 7: N1TSEEM (1450 in chips)
Seat 9: erickpapusko (1465 in chips)
Andreavc: posts small blind 25
A777BX: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Ah 9c]
N1TSEEM: folds
erickpapusko: folds
RioYuehLee: folds
ryan1111: folds
gibble777: folds
killapeda: folds
Andreavc: calls 25
A777BX: checks
*** FLOP *** [2h Ac 5h]
Andreavc: checks
A777BX: bets 100
Andreavc: calls 100
*** TURN *** [2h Ac 5h] [4h]
Andreavc: checks
A777BX: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h Ac 5h 4h] [Qd]
Andreavc: bets 200
A777BX: calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Andreavc: shows [3h Ks] (a straight, Ace to Five)
A777BX: mucks hand(<AJs)
Andreavc collected 700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Board [2h Ac 5h 4h Qd]

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:46 am

No you gotta tell me what you would note.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:21 pm

SB Notes:
P: OL K3o SB vs BB 20BB NOA,
F: CALLED A PSB OOP WITH A GS K3 2A5hh
R: BET 2/3 AS A VB ON RIVER

What I get from this is he is liming weak hands, knows nothing about pot odds and how value bets a good hand.

BB Notes:

P: CHECKED IN BB AJs VS SB OL 20BB NOA
R: CALLED 2/3 BET W AJ A254Qhhh

TELLS ME THIS PLAYER CAN BE TRAPPY
I DON'T THINK MY RIVER NOTE IS RELEVANT

I need to start writing flops in the generic way u do xxz,xyz

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:39 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:SB Notes:
P: OL K3o SB vs BB 20BB NOA,
F: CALLED A PSB OOP WITH A GS K3 2A5hh
R: BET 2/3 AS A VB ON RIVER

What I get from this is he is liming weak hands, knows nothing about pot odds and how value bets a good hand.
Yes thats all pretty good.

I try to keep them all on one line. I use commas for streets and / for lines on the same street

So: bvb 20bbs eff cmplte k3o noa, x/c gs A25tt, x straight, lead 2/3 river

don't need 'oop' as we know that hes in the sb, don't need vs on river as we know he has a straight
BB Notes:

P: CHECKED IN BB AJs VS SB OL 20BB NOA
R: CALLED 2/3 BET W AJ A254Qhhh

TELLS ME THIS PLAYER CAN BE TRAPPY
I DON'T THINK MY RIVER NOTE IS RELEVANT
it might not tell you they are trappy because they might under value their hands a little or be passive, but you can watch them with trappiness in mind.

I need to start writing flops in the generic way u do xxz,xyz
Yes remember that will not just help with read, but you will also learn to paternize flops, there are only so many types of 'differnt' flops.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:30 am

THX, I will post some hands with notes written like you.

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:06 pm

Not going to post the hands unless u really want to see them. Lets take a look at this set of basic notes and how to exploit them. Normally ppl only deviate to one other size of bet (3x/2x)

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2x ep noa 100bb kjO, c/c ai with the nuts
3x mp 99 noa 100bb
5x mp kk noa 75bb

2.5x 3b ep min 30bb noa AQ0(this note is just here so when he does 3bet a different size i can decipher it quicker)

OK so we now know that this player has weaker a range when he open smaller. So to exploit this we should open up when he opens smaller and tighten right up as he opens larger. correct?

Also you had mentioned before to make a note of someone who is giving us walks from the sb
so do you think creating a note like this is profitable even tho we haven't seen his cards ? folded sb >10bb 3x noa .... I know you're going to ask what if he had 72o each time? Very Happy If it is silly to make notes like this, should I add a stat like STL from SB to my HUD so I don't have to waste my time noting this?

Another thing I am noticing while creating all this notes is, I make more notes at the beginning of the game then during the late game (don't want to miss anything while typing) have you ever had this problem, and how did you fix it?

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Post  JodaB. on Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:33 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:Not going to post the hands unless u really want to see them. Lets take a look at this set of basic notes and how to exploit them. Normally ppl only deviate to one other size of bet (3x/2x)

jembuss
2x ep noa 100bb kjO, c/c ai with the nuts
3x mp 99 noa 100bb
5x mp kk noa 75bb

2.5x 3b ep min 30bb noa AQ0(this note is just here so when he does 3bet a different size i can decipher it quicker)

OK so we now know that this player has weaker a range when he open smaller. So to exploit this we should open up when he opens smaller and tighten right up as he opens larger. correct?

Also you had mentioned before to make a note of someone who is giving us walks from the sb
so do you think creating a note like this is profitable even tho we haven't seen his cards ? folded sb >10bb 3x noa .... I know you're going to ask what if he had 72o each time? Very Happy If it is silly to make notes like this, should I add a stat like STL from SB to my HUD so I don't have to waste my time noting this?

Another thing I am noticing while creating all this notes is, I make more notes at the beginning of the game then during the late game (don't want to miss anything while typing) have you ever had this problem, and how did you fix it?

Haven't been around due to the last phase of my quitting smoking, I am up to 5 days without a cigar. Had to cut out everything that made me crave smoking and the computer was one of them. Right now as I am typing I want a smoke lol but nope I got a slurpee lol...I will be hit and miss all next week, as I slowly add time in front of a computer back into my routine.
Ya that all looks fine. If a player folds bvb that doesn't always help but if they should be shoving ATC and they fold then you know something. Steal stats are great but you can discern a lot from general steal stats and make some assumptions about specific steal stats based on overall ones.

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:08 am

PokerStars Hand #104786666597: Tournament #795018568, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2013/09/29 8:37:59 ET
Table '795018568 7' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: supamann007 (3131 in chips)
Seat 2: ryan1111 (4890 in chips)
Seat 3: Stijnsong (5835 in chips)
Seat 4: ed00011 (1795 in chips)
Seat 5: grigor314 (11913 in chips)
Seat 6: batigoooal (3690 in chips)
Seat 8: Getbackerss (7980 in chips)
Seat 9: FISKIMUS (2153 in chips)
supamann007: posts the ante 25
ryan1111: posts the ante 25
Stijnsong: posts the ante 25
ed00011: posts the ante 25
grigor314: posts the ante 25
batigoooal: posts the ante 25
Getbackerss: posts the ante 25
FISKIMUS: posts the ante 25
ryan1111: posts small blind 125
Stijnsong: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [4s 7c]
ed00011: folds
grigor314: raises 250 to 500
batigoooal: folds
Getbackerss: folds
FISKIMUS: raises 1628 to 2128 and is all-in
supamann007: folds
ryan1111: folds
Stijnsong: folds
grigor314: calls 1628
*** FLOP *** [2d 6d Ts]
*** TURN *** [2d 6d Ts] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [2d 6d Ts 8c] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
grigor314: shows [9d Kd] (high card King)
FISKIMUS: shows [5s 5d] (a pair of Fives)
FISKIMUS collected 4831 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4831 | Rake 0
Board [2d 6d Ts 8c 4c]


i added something to my notes, just wanted to see what you think!

so for the guy with 55, I made note of him jamming this hand against terrible loose player.. it looked like this  wa(with antes)3b ai LP 55 9bb vs 2x or ep bad PLR.. I can tell the player that jammed here is capable of making adjustments so if i see him do this against a tighter player his range might be different. where as if i seen a fish do this, i would not make any adjustments to his range.

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:14 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:

so for the guy with 55, I made note of him jamming this hand against terrible loose player.. it looked like this  wa(with antes)3b ai LP 55 9bb vs 2x or ep bad PLR.. I can tell the player that jammed here is capable of making adjustments so if i see him do this against a tighter player his range might be different. where as if i seen a fish do this, i would not make any adjustments to his range.
Yup for sure. Sometimes I just note they are an adjusting reg that is decent/good/bad etc.

Or if they are tagged a good winning reg, I can even assume they will do it.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:02 pm

I meant to ask this a while ago, but forgot, if we make note before the antes start, what can we do with during antes?

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Post  JodaB. on Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:06 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:I meant to ask this a while ago, but forgot, if we make note before the antes start, what can we do with during antes?
i think you missed some words here. Either way i think you are over thinking it here.

give an example maybe?
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:26 pm

ha I did miss a couple words

and yes I almost always over think things

I don't have an example right now. I was just curious if the notes we create during the non ante period should be used lightly when we enter the ante game.. If or when I find a note that applies to this, I will post it for us to discuss.

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:59 pm

how about notes on plrs that may of made notes on us? for instance we ship light and we get caught, if we see him again he may expect us to do it again based on his notes. so if we make a note that we shipped light and went to showdown with him, we can adjust.

just trying to expand on the type of notes i take

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:05 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:how about notes on plrs that may of made notes on us? for instance we ship light and we get caught, if we see him again he may expect us to do it again based on his notes. so if we make a note that we shipped light and  went to showdown with him, we can adjust.

just trying to expand on the type of notes i take
they are good questions.

what type of player takes notes on us?

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:08 pm

decent to elite regs

ya i'm only noting this if they're a reg of some sort

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:10 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:decent to elite regs

ya i'm only noting this if they're a reg of some sort
I'd say very few of the winning regs, esp at your level.

But often we don't need a note because if they are good we can just assume they have an idea of our game.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:14 pm

edit nm answered my own question

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:22 pm

so most of the time we know what our opponent have for 'notes' on us. Especially one you become a reg. And our notes on them will give us a good idea on their responses. there is the odd time i will note something i did to them, but that really just tells us how to play vs them, and our notes on them will tell us that anyways.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:29 pm

thx

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:23 am

PokerStars Hand #106192441030: Tournament #809398485, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2013/10/29 3:18:12 ET
Table '809398485 8' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: INKASATOR600 (1791 in chips)
Seat 2: Tiran BP (3309 in chips)
Seat 3: St1morol (1425 in chips)
Seat 4: dmit1974 (1580 in chips)
Seat 5: Nautilius91 (1435 in chips)
Seat 6: Sharantyr (1370 in chips)
Seat 7: Skippy176 (4340 in chips)
Seat 8: kiwi_jas00 (1845 in chips)
Seat 9: bob gatão (815 in chips)
dmit1974: posts small blind 25
Nautilius91: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Sharantyr: calls 50
Skippy176: folds
kiwi_jas00: folds
bob gatão: calls 50
INKASATOR600: calls 50
Tiran BP: folds
St1morol: folds
dmit1974: raises 150 to 200
Nautilius91: folds
Sharantyr: calls 150
bob gatão: raises 615 to 815 and is all-in
INKASATOR600: folds
dmit1974: calls 615
Sharantyr: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d Td 2d]
*** TURN *** [5d Td 2d] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [5d Td 2d 5c] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dmit1974: shows [Ad Qh] (two pair, Fives and Deuces)
bob gatão: shows [8s Kh] (two pair, Fives and Deuces - lower kicker)
dmit1974 collected 1930 from pot
bob gatão finished the tournament in 134th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1930 | Rake 0
Board [5d Td 2d 5c 2h]
Seat 1: INKASATOR600 folded before Flop
Seat 2: Tiran BP folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: St1morol (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dmit1974 (small blind) showed [Ad Qh] and won (1930) with two pair, Fives and Deuces
Seat 5: Nautilius91 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Sharantyr folded before Flop
Seat 7: Skippy176 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kiwi_jas00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bob gatão showed [8s Kh] and lost with two pair, Fives and Deuces

u think its a profitable note, to note shar still has fold eq after calling the 200 iso and folded to the jam?

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:31 am

Leia!!!

Um ya but maybe shes only folding 1 combination? so we might take a note she did it, we won't say we have fold equity, the note will just say what she did, and when we read it, we know that she folds at least 1 combo (likley).

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:37 am

kk will cont. to take notes without showdown lightly .... im on a mission to find a note(s) without showdown that r profitable, or am i wasting my time?

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:47 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:kk will cont. to take notes without showdown lightly .... im on a mission to find a note(s) without showdown that r profitable, or am i wasting my time?
i think that on is legit just don't make over assumptions with it
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:54 am

noted!!Very Happy  thx

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