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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:57 pm

PokerStars Hand #104500665102: Tournament #792111476, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2013/09/22 19:24:39 ET
Table '792111476 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 400bucks (5344 in chips)
Seat 2: bond1322 (2735 in chips)
Seat 3: martinl169 (1540 in chips)
Seat 4: l KAAK l (1545 in chips)
Seat 5: lolcall69 (3765 in chips)
Seat 6: evaferreira (3580 in chips)
Seat 7: abusive user (2010 in chips)
Seat 8: golfstan (1675 in chips)
Seat 9: ryan1111 (4072 in chips)
golfstan: posts small blind 100
ryan1111: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Qc As]
400bucks: raises 200 to 400
bond1322: folds
martinl169: raises 1140 to 1540 and is all-in
l KAAK l: folds
lolcall69: folds
evaferreira: calls 1540
abusive user: folds
golfstan: folds
ryan1111: raises 2532 to 4072 and is all-in
400bucks: raises 1272 to 5344 and is all-in
evaferreira: calls 2040 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1272) returned to 400bucks
*** FLOP *** [9s 3h 4d]
*** TURN *** [9s 3h 4d] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [9s 3h 4d 5d] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ryan1111: shows [Qc As] (high card Ace)
400bucks: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
400bucks collected 984 from side pot-2
evaferreira: shows [Js Kh] (high card King)
400bucks collected 6120 from side pot-1
martinl169: shows [8h 8s] (a pair of Eights)
400bucks collected 6260 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13364 Main pot 6260. Side pot-1 6120. Side pot-2 984. | Rake 0
Board [9s 3h 4d 5d 7h]
Seat 1: 400bucks showed [Kc Ks] and won (13364) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: bond1322 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: martinl169 showed [8h 8s] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: l KAAK l folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: lolcall69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: evaferreira showed [Js Kh] and lost with high card King
Seat 7: abusive user (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: golfstan (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: ryan1111 (big blind) showed [Qc As] and lost with high card Ace

My calling range here should be like QQ+ AK here i think, but you say to always to get in JJ+,AQ+... I can see if he folding something like half of his openings, we should GII here, but i dont see him doing that.


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Re: AQ spot....

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:17 pm

77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,A9o+,KJo+ 400 bucks un adjusted range ... hes not opening this range

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Re: AQ spot....

Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:27 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,A9o+,KJo+ 400 bucks un adjusted range ... hes not opening this range
good was my first question, but we need his opening range too. At this level aqo is prob fine. If I knew utg was only open/calling then I might fold, but I would NEVER assume that.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:44 pm

The second post is his opening range from HR, I adjusted it to something tighter like TT+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+  and his calling range is TT+, AJs+, AQo+

Since he is a good player I prob shouldn't  be. adjust anything?

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:42 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:The second post is his opening range from HR, I adjusted it to something tighter like TT+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+  and his calling range is TT+, AJs+, AQo+

Since he is a good player I prob shouldn't  be. adjust anything?
You didn't give a read of being a good player. But I would assume hes not if playing 2's, you get some really good regs playing them sometimes, but you might give him a tag that is 1 above rec player.

I think you're a little too tight here in your thinking. Maybe 99's or 88+ and A9s ATo. Remember some players might open kqo.

But if you have a read hes a winning player over 5k+ ish hands or tight hud stats over a few hundred hands (multiple tourney's) then it could be tighter. Calling range is close, I might except Ajo sometimes or 99 etc.

Anyways I pretty much play AQo like the nuts at the 2's with 20bb or less, without reads too many players with r/c kjo and stuff, can't miss that value.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:53 am

this player is a loose passive rec plr, no notes on him yet

PokerStars Hand #104786399154: Tournament #795018568, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2013/09/29 8:30:19 ET
Table '795018568 7' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: supamann007 (3656 in chips)
Seat 2: ryan1111 (7590 in chips)
Seat 3: Sev1906 (3082 in chips)
Seat 4: ed00011 (1645 in chips)
Seat 5: grigor314 (10125 in chips)
Seat 6: batigoooal (3615 in chips)
Seat 7: nikamarija (772 in chips)
Seat 8: Getbackerss (7055 in chips)
Seat 9: FISKIMUS (2875 in chips)
ryan1111: posts small blind 100
Sev1906: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Ad Qh]
ed00011: folds
grigor314: calls 200
batigoooal: folds
nikamarija: folds
Getbackerss: folds
FISKIMUS: folds
supamann007: folds
ryan1111: raises 400 to 600
Sev1906: folds
grigor314: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6c 2c Jc]
ryan1111: bets 700
grigor314: calls 700
*** TURN *** [6c 2c Jc] [9d]
ryan1111: bets 1400
grigor314: calls 1400
*** RIVER *** [6c 2c Jc 9d] [Kh]
ryan1111: checks
grigor314: checks

what ranges would u put him on, I would like to compare

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:02 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:this player is a loose passive rec plr, no notes on him yet

PokerStars Hand #104786399154: Tournament #795018568, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2013/09/29 8:30:19 ET
Table '795018568 7' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: supamann007 (3656 in chips)
Seat 2: ryan1111 (7590 in chips)
Seat 3: Sev1906 (3082 in chips)
Seat 4: ed00011 (1645 in chips)
Seat 5: grigor314 (10125 in chips)
Seat 6: batigoooal (3615 in chips)
Seat 7: nikamarija (772 in chips)
Seat 8: Getbackerss (7055 in chips)
Seat 9: FISKIMUS (2875 in chips)
ryan1111: posts small blind 100
Sev1906: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Ad Qh]
ed00011: folds
grigor314: calls 200
batigoooal: folds
nikamarija: folds
Getbackerss: folds
FISKIMUS: folds
supamann007: folds
ryan1111: raises 400 to 600
Sev1906: folds
grigor314: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6c 2c Jc]
ryan1111: bets 700
grigor314: calls 700
*** TURN *** [6c 2c Jc] [9d]
ryan1111: bets 1400
grigor314: calls 1400
*** RIVER *** [6c 2c Jc 9d] [Kh]
ryan1111: checks
grigor314: checks

what ranges would u put him on, I would like to compare
is the turn value or bluff?
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:04 pm

bluff

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:23 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:bluff
I think that the board didn't change much so its going to be hard to get folds. There is some value to be had here so betting might be ok.  The hand might be played fine, but I guess I just want to point out you are bluffing into a loose passive player Exclamation
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:27 pm

mega face palm... i sometimes think i can get them off their hand.... i will put this on my focus list again

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:37 pm

There is prob a gto bet size for isoing preflop. I'm not sure what it is anymore, don't know if i ever did. I don't play vs a lot of super good players, so I'm usually just playing exploitatively.

What you wanna do is ask yourself what you want to accomplish with your preflop raise, in regards to the postflop play

If we want them to fold pre we might be bigger like 3x or 4x.

Sometimes if we want them to flat so we can jam any flop we will bet a portion of our stack pre that allows us to go all in for around 75% of the post flop pot.

Sometimes if we are strong postflop and or villain is weak and or doesn't often fold pre we can iso smaller like 2.2 or 2.5x, and give ourselves more room on more streets to maneuver.

sometimes we iso pre and only continue if we hit the flop, vs a player that is known to NEVER fold etc.

Just listing some of the lines we might decide to take.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:04 pm

Ya I think if there is only bad plr left to act then we can do this. if there are good plrs behind the we better keep it the same so they cant exploit the bottom of our range. I always try to keep the same OR+1BB but i will try this if there isnt any behind to exploit it.

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:26 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:Ya I think if there is only bad plr left to act then we can do this. if there are good plrs behind the we better keep it the same so they cant exploit the bottom of our range. I always try to keep the same OR+1BB but i will try this if there isnt any behind to exploit it.
most of the time especially in mid stakes or micros, we aren't so worried about the players behind exploiting us, rather we are intent on maximally exploiting the initial limper.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:44 pm

ive always worried about this because you essentially develop a bad habit, move on and never really think about it again(now i will tho). what about the higher 180's do we do the same, or is it even relevant as less ppl are limping?


i will start to do this in the 2's,knowing that it may change later in time!

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Post  JodaB. on Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:54 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:ive always worried about this because you essentially develop a bad habit, move on and never really think about it again(now i will tho). what about the higher 180's do we do the same, or is it even relevant as less ppl are limping?


i will start to do this in the 2's,knowing that it may change later in time!
we always consider the players left to act, but no one at that level is going to exploit us in ways that will cause us to not attempt to maximally exploit a fish.
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Post  sngking on Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:23 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:mega face palm... i sometimes think i can get them off their hand.... i will put this on my focus list again
Don't worry, I do this too.Smile 

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