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Post  JodaB. on Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:47 pm

PokerStars Hand #105029800001: Tournament #797485421, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV

(1000/2000) - 2013/10/04 12:51:05 PT [2013/10/04 15:51:05 ET]
Table '797485421 16' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: AvdonSS (27914 in chips)
Seat 3: LukeN73 (44983 in chips)
Seat 4: AltoRiesgo (16367 in chips)
Seat 6: bellos2828 (13235 in chips)
Seat 7: bolterp (63962 in chips)
Seat 8: Mikwej (10230 in chips)
Seat 9: forboon (36125 in chips)
AvdonSS: posts the ante 200
LukeN73: posts the ante 200
AltoRiesgo: posts the ante 200
bellos2828: posts the ante 200
bolterp: posts the ante 200
Mikwej: posts the ante 200
forboon: posts the ante 200
AltoRiesgo: posts small blind 1000
bellos2828: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Ts 8s]
bolterp: folds
Mikwej: folds
forboon: raises 2000 to 4000
AvdonSS: folds
LukeN73: folds
AltoRiesgo: raises 12167 to 16167 and is all-in
bellos2828: folds
forboon: calls 12167
*** FLOP *** [6h 3s Ah]
*** TURN *** [6h 3s Ah] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [6h 3s Ah Jd] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AltoRiesgo: shows [4d Ad] (a pair of Aces)
forboon: shows [Ts 8s] (high card Ace)
AltoRiesgo collected 35734 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 35734 | Rake 0
Board [6h 3s Ah Jd 5c]
Seat 1: AvdonSS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LukeN73 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: AltoRiesgo (small blind) showed [4d Ad] and won (35734) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: bellos2828 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: bolterp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Mikwej folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: forboon showed [Ts 8s] and lost with high card Ace


PokerStars Hand #105029908888: Tournament #797480100, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level

XVIII (2000/4000) - 2013/10/04 12:53:12 PT [2013/10/04 15:53:12 ET]
Table '797480100 18' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: forboon (21558 in chips)
Seat 3: IoonJup (28639 in chips)
Seat 5: drmask77 (114898 in chips)
Seat 6: w0rkiNgsou$$ (38506 in chips)
Seat 7: ZiomStefan (66399 in chips)
forboon: posts the ante 400
IoonJup: posts the ante 400
drmask77: posts the ante 400
w0rkiNgsou$$: posts the ante 400
ZiomStefan: posts the ante 400
IoonJup: posts small blind 2000
drmask77: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [8d Qs]
w0rkiNgsou$$: folds
ZiomStefan: folds
forboon: folds
IoonJup: folds
Uncalled bet (2000) returned to drmask77
drmask77 collected 6000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: forboon (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: IoonJup (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: drmask77 (big blind) collected (6000)
Seat 6: w0rkiNgsou$$ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ZiomStefan folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Hand #105029943055: Tournament #797480100, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level

XVIII (2000/4000) - 2013/10/04 12:53:52 PT [2013/10/04 15:53:52 ET]
Table '797480100 18' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: forboon (20358 in chips)
Seat 3: IoonJup (25439 in chips)
Seat 5: drmask77 (115698 in chips)
Seat 6: w0rkiNgsou$$ (31306 in chips)
Seat 7: ZiomStefan (77199 in chips)
forboon: posts the ante 400
IoonJup: posts the ante 400
drmask77: posts the ante 400
w0rkiNgsou$$: posts the ante 400
ZiomStefan: posts the ante 400
ZiomStefan: posts small blind 2000
forboon: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [2h 2c]
IoonJup: folds
drmask77: raises 4000 to 8000
w0rkiNgsou$$: folds
ZiomStefan: folds
forboon: raises 11958 to 19958 and is all-in
drmask77: folds
Uncalled bet (11958) returned to forboon
forboon collected 20000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: forboon (big blind) collected (20000)
Seat 3: IoonJup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: drmask77 folded before Flop
Seat 6: w0rkiNgsou$$ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ZiomStefan (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Hand #105029971598: Tournament #797480100, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level

XVIII (2000/4000) - 2013/10/04 12:54:27 PT [2013/10/04 15:54:27 ET]
Table '797480100 18' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: forboon (31958 in chips)
Seat 3: IoonJup (25039 in chips)
Seat 5: drmask77 (107298 in chips)
Seat 6: w0rkiNgsou$$ (30906 in chips)
Seat 7: ZiomStefan (74799 in chips)
forboon: posts the ante 400
IoonJup: posts the ante 400
drmask77: posts the ante 400
w0rkiNgsou$$: posts the ante 400
ZiomStefan: posts the ante 400
forboon: posts small blind 2000
IoonJup: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [5s 5h]
drmask77: folds
w0rkiNgsou$$: raises 26506 to 30506 and is all-in
ZiomStefan: folds
forboon: folds
IoonJup: folds
Uncalled bet (26506) returned to w0rkiNgsou$$
w0rkiNgsou$$ collected 12000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: forboon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: IoonJup (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: drmask77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: w0rkiNgsou$$ collected (12000)
Seat 7: ZiomStefan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Hand #105031499931: Tournament #797485421, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level

XXI (3500/7000) - 2013/10/04 13:26:08 PT [2013/10/04 16:26:08 ET]
Table '797485421 15' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dani20bv (13786 in chips)
Seat 2: forboon (79459 in chips)
Seat 3: santy312 (266096 in chips)
Seat 4: capenorth (44460 in chips)
Seat 5: fruit_ bat_f (48448 in chips)
Seat 6: MrNorberto (141928 in chips)
Seat 7: boladegude (213256 in chips)
Seat 8: PANIC.PLAYER (76821 in chips)
Seat 9: EmWatson (34746 in chips)
dani20bv: posts the ante 700
forboon: posts the ante 700
santy312: posts the ante 700
capenorth: posts the ante 700
fruit_ bat_f: posts the ante 700
MrNorberto: posts the ante 700
boladegude: posts the ante 700
PANIC.PLAYER: posts the ante 700
EmWatson: posts the ante 700
santy312: posts small blind 3500
capenorth: posts big blind 7000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Jc Qs]
fruit_ bat_f: folds
MrNorberto: folds
boladegude: folds
PANIC.PLAYER: folds
EmWatson: folds
dani20bv: folds
forboon: raises 7000 to 14000
santy312: folds
capenorth: raises 29760 to 43760 and is all-in
forboon: calls 29760
*** FLOP *** [Kh Jd 9d]
*** TURN *** [Kh Jd 9d] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Jd 9d 2s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
capenorth: shows [Jh As] (a pair of Jacks)
forboon: shows [Jc Qs] (a pair of Jacks - lower kicker)
capenorth collected 97320 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 97320 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Jd 9d 2s 6h]
Seat 1: dani20bv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: forboon (button) showed [Jc Qs] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: santy312 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: capenorth (big blind) showed [Jh As] and won (97320) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: fruit_ bat_f folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MrNorberto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: boladegude folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PANIC.PLAYER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: EmWatson folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Hand #105032872269: Tournament #797519347, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level

XIII (600/1200) - 2013/10/04 13:53:39 PT [2013/10/04 16:53:39 ET]
Table '797519347 14' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Quuube (11772 in chips)
Seat 2: forboon (29760 in chips)
Seat 4: fried liver (18124 in chips)
Seat 5: bosica007 (8420 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: pokerfiesje (20601 in chips)
Seat 7: qweziz (7423 in chips)
Seat 8: Br.Uno457 (26819 in chips)
Seat 9: vyingapoor (14971 in chips)
Quuube: posts the ante 125
forboon: posts the ante 125
fried liver: posts the ante 125
bosica007: posts the ante 125
pokerfiesje: posts the ante 125
qweziz: posts the ante 125
Br.Uno457: posts the ante 125
vyingapoor: posts the ante 125
Br.Uno457: posts small blind 600
vyingapoor: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qs 4s]
Quuube: folds
forboon: raises 1200 to 2400
fried liver: folds
bosica007: folds
pokerfiesje: folds
qweziz: raises 4898 to 7298 and is all-in
Br.Uno457: folds
vyingapoor: folds
forboon: calls 4898
*** FLOP *** [9d Ah 6d]
*** TURN *** [9d Ah 6d] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [9d Ah 6d 2c] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
forboon: shows [Qs 4s] (high card Ace)
qweziz: shows [3h 3c] (a pair of Threes)
qweziz collected 17396 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17396 | Rake 0
Board [9d Ah 6d 2c Kh]
Seat 1: Quuube folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: forboon showed [Qs 4s] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: fried liver folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bosica007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pokerfiesje folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: qweziz (button) showed [3h 3c] and won (17396) with a pair of Threes
Seat 8: Br.Uno457 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: vyingapoor (big blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Hand #105036382876: Tournament #797548928, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2013/10/04 15:10:02 PT [2013/10/04 18:10:02 ET]
Table '797548928 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Bavareca_^^^ (48401 in chips)
Seat 2: forboon (60656 in chips)
Seat 3: HazZin (16373 in chips)
Seat 4: Markimark1 (47590 in chips)
Seat 5: Vezka (18246 in chips)
Seat 6: Kulibin1 (22255 in chips)
Seat 8: kreutz333 (18208 in chips)
Seat 9: sandp1per (38271 in chips)
Bavareca_^^^: posts the ante 200
forboon: posts the ante 200
HazZin: posts the ante 200
Markimark1: posts the ante 200
Vezka: posts the ante 200
Kulibin1: posts the ante 200
kreutz333: posts the ante 200
sandp1per: posts the ante 200
Kulibin1: posts small blind 1000
kreutz333: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qc Kc]
sandp1per: folds
Bavareca_^^^: raises 2000 to 4000
forboon: calls 4000
HazZin: folds
Markimark1: folds
Vezka: folds
Kulibin1: raises 18055 to 22055 and is all-in
kreutz333: folds
Bavareca_^^^: folds
forboon: calls 18055
*** FLOP *** [Kd Jd Ks]
*** TURN *** [Kd Jd Ks] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Kd Jd Ks 5h] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kulibin1: shows [As Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
forboon: shows [Qc Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
forboon collected 51710 from pot
Kulibin1 finished the tournament in 8th place and received $29.06.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 51710 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Jd Ks 5h Qd]
Seat 1: Bavareca_^^^ folded before Flop
Seat 2: forboon showed [Qc Kc] and won (51710) with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 3: HazZin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Markimark1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Vezka (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Kulibin1 (small blind) showed [As Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 8: kreutz333 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: sandp1per folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Hand #105040777408: Tournament #797576512, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (6000/12000) - 2013/10/04 17:06:40 PT [2013/10/04 20:06:40 ET]
Table '797576512 18' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: ELAPAMPO (132762 in chips)
Seat 3: Br.Uno457 (440557 in chips)
Seat 5: forboon (113896 in chips)
Seat 6: m_michalec (69688 in chips)
Seat 9: pokersssss (84097 in chips)
ELAPAMPO: posts the ante 1200
Br.Uno457: posts the ante 1200
forboon: posts the ante 1200
m_michalec: posts the ante 1200
pokersssss: posts the ante 1200
ELAPAMPO: posts small blind 6000
Br.Uno457: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [9c 8c]
forboon: folds
m_michalec: raises 56488 to 68488 and is all-in
pokersssss: folds
ELAPAMPO: folds
Br.Uno457: folds
Uncalled bet (56488) returned to m_michalec
m_michalec collected 36000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 36000 | Rake 0
Seat 2: ELAPAMPO (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Br.Uno457 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: forboon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: m_michalec collected (36000)
Seat 9: pokersssss (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


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Re: Homework for the night...

Post  AlreadyBeenVaped on Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:50 am

fml I replied to all of these and hit preview instead of post....and closed the window.

re-replying now lol
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Re: Homework for the night...

Post  AlreadyBeenVaped on Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:59 am

Let me preface this by saying I'm much nittier than you nick and I do pass up on certain spots that are slightly profitable in better structured tournies (non-turbos).

Hand 1:
nh, I don't like opening into so many reshove stacks but its a turbo 180 and avg stack will always be 10-15bbs so I guess we need to open every profitable spot we can find, correct?

Hand 2:
Nash says we can shove 46%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K3o+ Q3s+ Q7o+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 97s+ 87s 76s
What's your reason for folding here, bc CL is in BB and will call off very wide whereas if a short stack was in the BB he might call too tight?

Hand 3:
nh, does he fold bc he wants to continue bullying with his chiplead by opening a tonne/pressuring all the other stacks?

Hand 4:
I get it in here for sure.

Hand 5:
I probably jam pre. Are you planning to r/f to the SB w QJo?

Hand 6:
Another spot where I feel I fold bc of all the small stacks, but I'm sure you've figured out that its profitable. What kind of homework do we do to find out if a spot like this is a profitable open?

Hand 7:
vnh I play it the exact same.

Hand 8:
ICM fold because of m_michalec and pokersssss stacks?




















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Re: Homework for the night...

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:13 am

note i didnt look at alreadybeenvape's post, i wanted to work this out myself.
thx for posting them.

1. There is some Obv History here.I think this line is fine anyway since they're
Prob putting you on ATC.

2. A def shove here with two bad rec plrs..even if they were two good regs you
could profitably ship this, you just wouldn't make as much.

3. IMO nothing wrong with getting it in against his super wide range.

4. I could be loose here, but i think a call is in order. maybe a calling range like
this 44+,A9s+,KTs+,QJs,ATo+,KJo+.. he seems new to the game or is a cash player, so
he may not know what to do here, making his range tighter than what i have it at.

5. Shipping here is better. Sb could exploit your min raise.

6. at first i was like this is way too loose! after a some thought, you have
sufficient equity to call here. i just don't understand to open tho! is it one of those
raise now consider after spots?

7.Ya this is good, we have 39% equity against his range and we only need about
35%

8.you know what i actually typed out two different answers, one was shove is OK
and another that a fold is OK. i really feel it doesn't matter here both are fine
you're only worried about the btn here. pls correct me.

Edit: 8 is def a ICM fold because of the Btn

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Re: Homework for the night...

Post  JodaB. on Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:52 am

AlreadyBeenVaped wrote:fml I replied to all of these and hit preview instead of post....and closed the window.

re-replying now lol
ha Sad

AlreadyBeenVaped wrote:
Hand 1:
nh, I don't like opening into so many reshove stacks but its a turbo 180 and avg stack will always be 10-15bbs so I guess we need to open every profitable spot we can find, correct?
ya reshoves stack are never a problem really i think, just whether or not they reshove light enough.


Hand 2:
Nash says we can shove 46%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K3o+ Q3s+ Q7o+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 97s+ 87s 76s
What's your reason for folding here, bc CL is in BB and will call off very wide whereas if a short stack was in the BB he might call too tight?
its an icm spot and ya im worried bb will call a little looser.


Hand 3:
nh, does he fold bc he wants to continue bullying with his chiplead by opening a tonne/pressuring all the other stacks?
Dunno why he folded. I didn't think i have much fold equity but thought i'd have some.

Hand 4:
I get it in here for sure.
vs a decent villain its ok, but i felt this player would be a little tighter. Add a little edge on the field and I think its a fold, or close to it.

Hand 5:
I probably jam pre.  Are you planning to r/f to the SB w QJo?
ya

Hand 6:
Another spot where I feel I fold bc of all the small stacks, but I'm sure you've figured out that its profitable.  What kind of homework do we do to find out if a spot like this is a profitable open?
well i wasn't sure but I thought it was. The small stacks are actually what makes it an open. We can look at it in the nash calculator as a min/call/fold. Also having a good fundamental knowledge of the min raising game can help produce this on the fly. I put in ranges in nash calc and q4s was right on the edge (profitable ;p).

Hand 7:
vnh I play it the exact same.
ya was icm so wanted to check it.

Hand 8:
ICM fold because of m_michalec and pokersssss stacks?
ya it was a pretty clear fold it seems

















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Re: Homework for the night...

Post  JodaB. on Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:58 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:

1. There is some Obv History here.I think this line is fine anyway since they're
Prob putting you on ATC.
ATC!!!??? are you putting me on atc? Are you opening atc here?

2. A def shove here with two bad rec plrs..even if they were two good regs you
could profitably ship this, you just wouldn't make as much.
icm tho?

3. IMO nothing wrong with getting it in against his super wide range.
if they don't fold ever 22 is close and often a fold.

4. I could be loose here, but i think a call is in order. maybe a calling range like
this 44+,A9s+,KTs+,QJs,ATo+,KJo+.. he seems new to the game or is a cash player, so
he may not know what to do here, making his range tighter than what i have it at.
icm again if hes nash then its a call (55+), but if they are a little tighter its a fold. My reads are they are a little tighter so i folded.

5. Shipping here is better. Sb could exploit your min raise.
We are never really interested in 'could' but whether they 'would' Wink So for this hand you can assume I feel the sb won't exploit us.

6. at first i was like this is way too loose! after a some thought, you have
sufficient equity to call here. i just don't understand to open tho! is it one of those
raise now consider after spots?
all spots are fundamentally raise now consider after.

7.Ya this is good, we have 39% equity against his range and we only need about
35%
ja

8.you know what i actually typed out two different answers, one was shove is OK
and another that a fold is OK. i really feel it doesn't matter here both are fine
you're only worried about the btn here. pls correct me.

Edit: 8 is def a ICM fold because of the Btn
yup it didn't seem close really when i looked it up
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Re: Homework for the night...

Post  JodaB. on Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:00 pm

its kinda weird doing it like this. These were just hands that were close and i wanted to look up with a calculator etc. Most of them have reads I didn't type out, which is fine, I don't expect others to guess these all correct or anything. They are just the hands that are at the border of some of my thoughts.
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Re: Homework for the night...

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:34 pm

Thx joda, I really don't mind being wrong here. I know I don't know much about ICM, so this gives me some direction on where to improve my  non existent ICM game. I'll be back


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1. No I am not opening ATC here, I tend to play a tighter range here because of the high chance of a showdown. (I guess i fell back into that bad habit of assuming! I just thought there may be alot of history here.

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