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Calling from BB

Post  REEBS77 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:29 pm

PokerStars Hand #105759365656: Tournament #801477463, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (1500/3000) - 2013/10/20 1:08:59 ET
Table '801477463 25' 8-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: farlzz (163374 in chips)
Seat 3: REEBS77 (105191 in chips)
Seat 5: Yagano555 (98548 in chips)
Seat 6: nati_133 (122186 in chips)
Seat 7: samu1605 (317735 in chips)
Seat 8: saturno527 (43906 in chips)
farlzz: posts the ante 375
REEBS77: posts the ante 375
Yagano555: posts the ante 375
nati_133: posts the ante 375
samu1605: posts the ante 375
saturno527: posts the ante 375
farlzz: posts small blind 1500
REEBS77: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to REEBS77 [7s Kh]
Yagano555: folds
nati_133: folds
samu1605: raises 3300 to 6300
saturno527: folds
farlzz: calls 4800
REEBS77: calls 3300.... How wide are you calling here?

A topic we discussed last night was implied odds when calling from the bb. I think its safe to assume most villians cbet too wide these days - at the micros especially. Most just cbet without any reason, just cus they had the initiative, so they feel they have to cbet. We should be factoring this into implied odds... cbet stats are critical here though if you have a sample size.

So in this example, the pot is 17,850 and we need to call another 3300. That means we need roughly 15.6% equity to make calling here +EV. However, since we know villians cbet way way too much, we can actually increase those implied odds by % of a cbet amount (since we wont win it every time I think putting the full cbet in might be a mistake, but im foggy here). So lets just say 1/3 pot cbet adds 6.5k to the pot, making it ~27,650 total, means we only need 12% equity now....

Am i rite?
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Post  JodaB. on Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:24 pm

Yes but we have to factor in reverse implied odds.

The shorter our stack the less it matters but it will usually be a factor, esp depending on villains range.

For that reason...I'm out...

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Post  REEBS77 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:31 pm

JodaB. wrote:Yes but we have to factor in reverse implied odds.

The shorter our stack the less it matters but it will usually be a factor, esp depending on villains range.

For that reason...I'm out...

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Right on. Yeah RW was hinting at the reverse implied odds last night and it had me thinking about it afterwards.

This is something I have picked up from my backers and assassinato.
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Post  JodaB. on Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:34 pm

REEBS77 wrote:

This is something I have picked up from my backers and assassinato.
What are you referring to as 'this'?
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Post  REEBS77 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:45 pm

calling wider than I ever used to due to paying attention to the odds we are getting when ppl min raise. That and adding the cbet into implied odds.
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Post  JodaB. on Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:57 pm

REEBS77 wrote:calling wider than I ever used to due to paying attention to the odds we are getting when ppl min raise.  That and adding the cbet into implied odds.
ya I have some good insight for this esp 20bbs or less.

And ya mostly just have to remember about reverse IO.
Also postflop and preflop reads are huge.

When we are first learning its best to stay tight, but ya we should open up as wide as possible as we get stronger.

For example if villain is super weak and honest, we should flat atc and bluff lots. If villain is super aggro with all their range, we can flat nearly atc and get it in vs call stations, or x/call any pair on all streets etc.

A little tricker when deeper though because of RIO.
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