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J9s flop top pair

Post  REEBS77 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:42 pm

should I be raising just over min or something instead?

PokerStars - $5+$0.50|5000/10000 Ante 1250 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 162,756 (VPIP: 15.19, PFR: 9.46, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 79)
MP: 130,160 (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 18.10, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 120)
CO: 210,706 (VPIP: 15.46, PFR: 13.98, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 98)
BTN: 534,732 (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 46)
SB: 233,445 (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
Hero (BB): 184,184

6 players post ante of 1,250, SB posts SB 5,000, Hero posts BB 10,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 22,500) Hero has  9:heart: J:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 22,000, Hero calls 12,000

Flop: (51,500, 2 players)  J:spade: 7:spade: 7:diamond:
SB bets 28,000, Hero raises to 160,934 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 107,500
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Re: J9s flop top pair

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:25 pm

dont all jump at once.....  Twisted Evil 
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Re: J9s flop top pair

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:55 pm

Haven't studied ICM enough, so I'm prob way off here..


If we CIB, he jams, we can fold...
If we CIB, he calls, we can jam any turn that's not a A,K,Q..


edit: I like the CIB Better than jamming just for the fact we have a chance to save some of our Tournament eq. if he wakes up

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Re: J9s flop top pair

Post  JodaB. on Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:09 am

jammin!
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Re: J9s flop top pair

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:12 am

JodaB. wrote:jammin!
Boss!!
i got late game probs  Laughing

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:31 am

i just think its too good to raise fold, we have too much equity after we 3bet. Cib is ok but only if we know opponent folds sometimes to a cib. Flatting is good to, but were kinda short so there isn't much room and if we don't have postflop reads we're not going to be confident we can outplay their range better than jamming will do.

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:47 am

JodaB. wrote:i just think its too good to raise fold, we have too much equity after we 3bet.  Cib is ok but only if we know opponent folds sometimes to a cib. Flatting is good to, but were kinda short so there isn't much room and if we don't have postflop reads we're not going to be confident we can outplay their range better than jamming will do.


another case of me simply over thinking it! I'm with ya on the no post flop play, but in this case I was thinking ICM adjusts that... study Cool 

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Post  REEBS77 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:07 am

Ya if I cib it woulda been to get it in not to fold. And I'd do it cus I thought villain could spaz out with weaker
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Post  JodaB. on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:39 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:

another case of me simply over thinking it! I'm with ya on the no post flop play, but in this case I was thinking ICM adjusts that... study Cool 
I think you mean that icm doesn't want us to call off our stack. But that doesn't mean to suggest that in spot we call we know fold. It means we want to take lines where we put the calling pressure on villain and take it off us. Having to 3bet/fold a pretty hand in icm is a line we usually avoid all together, so we will either shove or flat.
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Re: J9s flop top pair

Post  JodaB. on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:42 am

REEBS77 wrote:Ya if I cib it woulda been to get it in not to fold.  And I'd do it cus I thought villain could spaz out with weaker
ya with reads for sure we would do this, without them I dunno, my worry is villain is opening like 20% BW pairs and aces. That not to tough of a range to go against but we semi short we no reads given. The thing about flatting pre is we never win the pot, so we are forced to gain post by fold equity and value, which is doable but I'd rather do it with reads.
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