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Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  negreanu1985 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:22 pm

I hardly ever play satellites but decided to try a 1 in 5 $50 BI live satellite to a $200 step 2, which in turn would go to an $1100 step 3 which would get you to the WSOP ME. After reading a couple articles that were geared towards satellites, I approached it by limping a bit and betting value.

Unfortunately only 6 people showed up, so winner got the seat and 2nd got their money back. I dominated early getting about 10k of the 18k in play when we were down to 3. It all went bad after that and somehow I came in 3rd. My general question is can anyone recommend a book/video/article that gives advice on 3 handed play as this is not my first blowup 3 handed. Specifically I am wondering about the following hand:

I have 8k in the SB, BB has 3k, BU folds. I limp with 96o against BB who is old guy with fairly ABC game. He checks. Blinds are 200/400/50 ante.
Flop: 9h5h5s, I bet 500, BB shoves. I call, he shows K9s and wins.

My thinking was some % he's bluffing, some % he has a 5, some % he has a 9, and some % he has two hearts. I am ahead of the bluff and the hearts, behind the 5, and the 9 could go either way with a distinct chop possibility.

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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  JodaB. on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:34 pm

Never open limp!

This spot doesn't happen.

you are on an extreme bubble with a deeper stack vs a short bb, look at your cards and then shove anything you have.

Think of the spot villain is in, they can only call you like 4% of the time.
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  negreanu1985 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:06 pm

Thanks for the response. I'll try to open shove more in that position. I was wondering how you would evaluate the postflop decision. I am also not sure you correctly understand the level of play on events like these. I don't think he would call 4% of the time, I think he'd call like 20% and I'm not sure what he'd do with the hand he had i.e. K9s but I think there's a good chance he'd call. I also think most of the time I can be more successful outplaying these players after the flop although that was not the case here.

Against the other player in the tournament I shoved KTs on the button when I got down to 5BB with 3k and the BB snap called from his 9k stack with QJo. I think this indicates that players at that level are calling a bit wider but maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  REEBS77 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:25 pm

JodaB. wrote:Never open limp!


NEVER SAY NEVER!

Wink

But yes obv shove this.
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  JodaB. on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:37 pm

REEBS77 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:Never open limp!


NEVER SAY NEVER!

Wink

But yes obv shove this.
ur post is the reason people get confused and continue to limp even tho they shouldn't Wink
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  REEBS77 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:37 am

JodaB. wrote:
REEBS77 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:Never open limp!


NEVER SAY NEVER!

Wink

But yes obv shove this.
ur post is the reason people get confused and continue to limp even tho they shouldn't Wink


But... but.... but....You always say that nothing is absolute in poker! Razz

I don't limp ever fwiw...
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:07 pm

REEBS77 wrote: nothing is absolute in poker!  Razz

I don't limp ever fwiw...
u mean to say such a rule should be absolute?
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  Smoker.B. on Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:55 pm

Limping is a large part of live poker , if u had any experience , u would know this.
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:51 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:Limping is a large part of live poker , if u had any experience , u would know this.
Its just we want to learn to be good at poker rather than click buttons randomly
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  REEBS77 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:22 pm

yeah just mean that you shouldn't make a rule that applies to ALL situations.

Actually funny timing, as I just watched a vid by my backer today in which he was actually advocating a lot of limping first in with 15-25 bb eff stacks... to avoid getting rejammed on (I think that's why anyways). I think it should be kept for high buyins tho as the small stakes guys aren't 3 betting that light vs opens anyways.

Anyways don't mean to confuse the thread, maybe shouldn't have even mentioned it.... continue on....
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:29 pm

REEBS77 wrote:

Anyways don't mean to confuse the thread
too late!
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  REEBS77 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:57 pm

JodaB. wrote:
REEBS77 wrote:

Anyways don't mean to confuse the thread
too late!

 Embarassed 
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Re: Satellite All in Call or Fold?

Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:42 pm

REEBS77 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
REEBS77 wrote:

Anyways don't mean to confuse the thread
too late!

 Embarassed 
oh i deleted it the first time, also had a  Razz face with it
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