A9s - 3 bet or flat?

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A9s - 3 bet or flat?

Post  REEBS77 on Wed May 21, 2014 6:13 pm

81 hands with villain, vpip 17% / rfi mp 31% (5/16) / fold to 3 bet pre 100% (2/2) no info on vs cbets

thoughts on 3 bet, and cbet this flop??

PokerStars Hand #116042710293: Tournament #904139610, $1.50+$1.50+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (50/100) - 2014/05/11 14:52:04 ET
Table '904139610 263' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: rachido77 (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: gyulter (11700 in chips)
Seat 3: asab955 (5926 in chips)
Seat 4: Edmilson_05 (3900 in chips)
Seat 5: VSB.Gimli (3768 in chips)
Seat 6: titor1001 (1945 in chips)
Seat 7: eSya00 (3290 in chips)
Seat 9: REEBS77 (11590 in chips)
rachido77: posts the ante 10
gyulter: posts the ante 10
asab955: posts the ante 10
Edmilson_05: posts the ante 10
VSB.Gimli: posts the ante 10
titor1001: posts the ante 10
eSya00: posts the ante 10
REEBS77: posts the ante 10
asab955: posts small blind 50
Edmilson_05: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to REEBS77 [Ad 9d]
VSB.Gimli: folds
titor1001: folds
eSya00: raises 150 to 250
REEBS77: raises 350 to 600
rachido77: folds
gyulter: folds
asab955: folds
Edmilson_05: folds
eSya00: calls 350
*** FLOP *** [7h Tc Kh]
eSya00: checks
REEBS77:
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Re: A9s - 3 bet or flat?

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Thu May 22, 2014 2:14 am

pre 3b fold to a jam.. on the flop: this flop smashes his range, but we need to rep./ make it look like we want to get it in, so a small cbet and fold to jam

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Re: A9s - 3 bet or flat?

Post  REEBS77 on Thu May 22, 2014 6:54 am

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:pre 3b fold to a jam.. on the flop: this flop smashes his range, but we need to rep./ make it look like we want to get it in, so a small cbet and fold to jam

So, curious what your 3 bet range looks like here then? are you linear or polarized?

On the flop, what is ur sizing? flop pot size should be like 1400ish I think. Typically, I will size it like 1/3 pot on dryer flops, and a bit bigger on wet ones. So this one I would typically go to like 1/2 psb or so. maybe 694 or something...
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Re: A9s - 3 bet or flat?

Post  JodaB. on Fri May 23, 2014 5:02 pm

I'm not a fan pre.  I wonder if you are in villains spot do you 2.5 or 2x?  I think most good players will 2x and that would be worry some.  The reasoning is to have a player that you should be 3betting with a wide 'linear' or polarized range they need to have a wide range pre.  And only fish or laggish regs will have this and i feel like we are looking at a player that is really in between these.

So think we might 3bet here with a linear range, but that its a little too wide with a9s.  I think even ats might be too wide.

And so then we expect to flat ats I think (probably never folding ajs either way), and I think a9s is probably too lose flat.

And then that makes use consider 3betting it as a bluff, but again we are worried villain is too tight

So i think its a textbook fold pre, however given all the above too me and btp, this seems like what would be a text book CIB 3bet or a '3bet to zero' which is like tanking and flatting and repping AA and KK postflop.

I think you will understand all that.

So postflop we get in a slight mess, because although we hit some flop, we totally missed this one and villain with have a tone of hands in their range that dominate a9s.

I like your flop sizing, however i think that villains range almost never folds here on this board and therefore we should check back.

there are a few turns we can be on given timing tells and villains actions.  Generally when the turn pairs we can act like we slow played the flop and don't want to check to streets.

Often the turn destroys our equity and our fold equity but that was somewhat bound to happen then anyways (poker players ever where just rolled their eyes to the way i stated that).

Villains will often lead turn with made hands and check their draws and weak hands and we can bet turn for a bluff, and earn a free showdown from missed draws on the river, and have a chance to draw to an ace if villain has TT+ (not kk) kq etc
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