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Opening range?

Post  JodaB. on Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:10 pm

PokerStars Hand #91445202869: Tournament #664809303, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) -

2012/12/28 12:05:04 CT [2012/12/28 13:05:04 ET]
Table '664809303 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: kakapoopooo (3130 in chips)
Seat 2: Bamalamaa (3978 in chips)
Seat 3: Batnaess (10162 in chips)
Seat 4: BigMouse08 (4990 in chips)
Seat 6: dinggggg (17163 in chips)
Seat 7: hero (11225 in chips)
Seat 8: sz3sz (3365 in chips)
Seat 9: matsu75 (7440 in chips)
kakapoopooo: posts the ante 50
Bamalamaa: posts the ante 50
Batnaess: posts the ante 50
BigMouse08: posts the ante 50
dinggggg: posts the ante 50
hero: posts the ante 50
sz3sz: posts the ante 50
matsu75: posts the ante 50
BigMouse08: posts small blind 200
dinggggg: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Qh 4s]
hero: raises 400 to 800
sz3sz: folds
matsu75: folds
kakapoopooo: folds
Bamalamaa: folds
Batnaess: folds
BigMouse08: folds
dinggggg: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [Qd Qs 9d]
dinggggg: checks
hero: bets 800
dinggggg: calls 800
*** TURN *** [Qd Qs 9d] [7d]
dinggggg: checks
hero: bets 1200
dinggggg: calls 1200
*** RIVER *** [Qd Qs 9d 7d] [5h]
dinggggg: bets 14313 and is all-in
hero: calls 8375 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (5938) returned to dinggggg
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dinggggg: shows [Ks Jd] (a pair of Queens)
hero: shows [Qh 4s] (three of a kind, Queens)
hero collected 22950 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 22950 | Rake 0
Board [Qd Qs 9d 7d 5h]
Seat 1: kakapoopooo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Bamalamaa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Batnaess (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BigMouse08 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dinggggg (big blind) showed [Ks Jd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: hero showed [Qh 4s] and won (22950) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 8: sz3sz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: matsu75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Re: Opening range?

Post  REEBS77 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:07 pm

I think everything I have ever been taught has lead me to believe the best opening range to start with is approx this....Maybe even remove a few hands...

55+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,ATo+,KQo

I did a search through this years 180s and found that I have only opened UTG (with a full table) in the 200/400 level 63 times. My range was this....

22+,A7s+,A5s,K8s+,K3s,Q9s+,Q2s,JTs,87s,65s,A7o+,K9o+,QJo,Q5o,J7o,96o,76o

So yeah I have been doing this with the right table (rarely). nh

- are there any flops you are not cbetting when checked to?
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Re: Opening range?

Post  JodaB. on Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:40 pm

Now when you did that search was it minraises or opens? Cause you don't want to include shoves.

When talking about the hands we should open my first question to people will be why? And I don't think many can answer other than thats what they were shown.

I'm not always opening q4o here but definitely frequently, it depends on some factors but its not a stretch for me.

I'm mostly always cbetting, even if i feel like checking back I'll usually bet super small to not give infinite odds.
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Re: Opening range?

Post  REEBS77 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:53 pm

You are right actually I need to add another filter for stack sizes and open vs shove...

Good to hear u are always cbetting too
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Re: Opening range?

Post  REEBS77 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:46 pm

After adding a stack size filter to 15bb+ (meaning I would mostly min raise) the number of instances went down to 17.

Range was a lot tighter though. KK,88,33,AQs,A9s,A7s,K8s,A9o+ were the exact hands... so there is some blanks to fill in there.

Edit: Think i might be new to filtering pt4 cus thats not a lot of hands for the amount of games played imo. i dunno.
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Re: Opening range?

Post  Smoker.B. on Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:44 pm

I have no idea what an opening range is anymore

i was taught ertain things but now it looks like thats thrown out the window?

looks like we can scrap anything we ever knew, and can profitable open ATC with 10+ beibs Mad
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Re: Opening range?

Post  JodaB. on Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:45 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:I have no idea what an opening range is anymore

i was taught ertain things but now it looks like thats thrown out the window?

looks like we can scrap anything we ever knew, and can profitable open ATC with 10+ beibs Mad
Do you think your problem with poker is you need to play more like an idiot or less?
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Re: Opening range?

Post  Smoker.B. on Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:52 pm

less ?

why are we opening any 2 tho? cyclops
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Re: Opening range?

Post  JodaB. on Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:42 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:less ?

why are we opening any 2 tho? cyclops
we're not. I am, you still have your training wheels though cause you are ascared of abc pokerz. affraid
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Re: Opening range?

Post  Smoker.B. on Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:29 pm

im not ascard of abc pokerz!!!

its all i do!

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Re: Opening range?

Post  JodaB. on Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:42 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:im not ascard of abc pokerz!!!

its all i do!

Twisted Evil
you aren't good enough post flop for this.
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Re: Opening range?

Post  Smoker.B. on Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:49 pm

Shocked
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