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Post  JodaB. on Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:26 pm

This is something we need to be able to do on the fly, but for anyone who hasn't worked with the math and the concept can use this hand history to work it all out:



Pot is 86083 and its 36483 to call


Ignoring icm, if we min raised any two cards, what hands should we call with if villains range is 88+ AJ+ ATs+


No Limit Holdem Tournament
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$3.19+$0.31

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) 98k 12bb
UTG+1 162k 20bb
MP 68k 8bb
CO 53k 7bb
BTN 273k 34bb
SB 152k 19bb
BB 90k 11bb

Blinds: 4k/8k Ante 800

Pre-Flop: (18k, 7 players) Hero is UTG X, X
Hero raises to 16k, 2 folds, CO goes all-in 52k, 3 folds, Hero
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Post  Superman on Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:32 pm

wait for it...

ok, quick math..getting nearly 3-1 on the money, need 30% equity (again, on the fly math)

Against his range...any pair, any broadway, any suited..any non suited A, K, Q...basically a slider 60%..

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:43 pm

any two

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Post  JodaB. on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:04 pm

Superman wrote:wait for it...

ok, quick math..getting nearly 3-1 on the money, need 30% equity (again, on the fly math)

Against his range...any pair, any broadway, any suited..any non suited A, K, Q...basically a slider 60%..
ya thats prob a decent range, but since we have the numbers we should find the EXACTY range we should call with Basketball
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Post  JodaB. on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:06 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:any two
that would be a decent guess as we are getting great odds, however whoever is the most accurate wins the most money...
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Post  Superman on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:07 pm

JodaB. wrote:
Superman wrote:wait for it...

ok, quick math..getting nearly 3-1 on the money, need 30% equity (again, on the fly math)

Against his range...any pair, any broadway, any suited..any non suited A, K, Q...basically a slider 60%..
ya thats prob a decent range, but since we have the numbers we should find the EXACTY range we should call with Basketball

When I am not at a table..I might just do that tongue

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Post  REEBS77 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:08 pm

atc minus about the bottom 4 or 5 hands like 72o, 62o, 42o, and 32o
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Post  JodaB. on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:17 pm

We want to be able to this with laser accuracy...
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Post  REEBS77 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:18 pm

JodaB. wrote:We want to be able to this with laser accuracy...

I thought I did??
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Post  JodaB. on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:45 pm

REEBS77 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:We want to be able to this with laser accuracy...

I thought I did??
83o and 93o, should be a fold I think at least
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Post  REEBS77 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:50 pm

86083+36483=122566 total pot size

36483/122566 = 0.29766

Now, vs the above range of 88+ AJ+ ATs+ I got the following range to have 0.29792 equity:

22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,82o+,73o+,63o+,52o+,43o
Which is only excluding the 4 hands I listed. Did I do something wrong?
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Post  JodaB. on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:06 pm

REEBS77 wrote:86083+36483=122566 total pot size

36483/122566 = 0.29766

Now, vs the above range of 88+ AJ+ ATs+ I got the following range to have 0.29792 equity:

22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,82o+,73o+,63o+,52o+,43o
Which is only excluding the 4 hands I listed. Did I do something wrong?
I think so. Because we aren't looking for what total range is profitable we are looking if each hand is.

So your range makes up the correct %, but we can fold some of those hands because they aren't profitable.

But I like how you posted the math.
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Post  REEBS77 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:11 pm

Right. So our actual calling range is a lot tighter than. I got ya. Id have to plug in a bunch of single hands to see what the bottom of the range is, one at a time.

Dont have time right now at work lol.

I see why im wrong tho. Thanks,
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Post  JodaB. on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:34 pm

REEBS77 wrote:Right. So our actual calling range is a lot tighter than. I got ya. Id have to plug in a bunch of single hands to see what the bottom of the range is, one at a time.

Dont have time right now at work lol.

I see why im wrong tho. Thanks,
Glad you figured it out because there is no way i could explain it if you didn't. But ya you nailed it, we'll take each hand around the bottom and define it that way on stove.
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