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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:48 pm

If you have winning odds or equity say 35% against a range of hands, should the pot odds be lower or higher than 35% to call?

I am confused on this lately and I don't know why Embarassed

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:01 pm

sngking wrote:If you have winning odds or equity say 35% against a range of hands, should the pot odds be lower or higher than 35% to call?

I am confused on this lately and I don't know why Embarassed
omg gooood question!!!!

ill tell you what find my pot odds thread on pfc, and we'll simplify it from there!

its an old thread where i explain pot odds from the start!

edit post it here for me i mean
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:09 pm

This one?




Important Disclaimer-only written for “intermediate” players who ‘don’t use pot odds…..





Master Yoda, What is pot odds?

A scale it is. If heavier the left side is, call you must. If heavier is the right, fooooold.




Why do I need to learn to use pot odds?

Because…the Jedi code they are; if use this knowledge you do not, then playing poker you are not.


Listen to Yoda…Access to hidden powers they give, not accessible to those without knowledge of the great scale.


Once the student learns pot odds, without any further studying or effort, new unforeseen powers will arise.




But Yoda, if pot odds are so important why do so many players ignore them?

-Know what they are for, they do not
-Too hard the math is, they believe
-Confusing are their teachers (trained in poker they are, but trained in Jedi they are not)
-Tried to learn from too many instructors, they did
-Learned two different ways at once, they did
-Quit before finished their training did


-See the whole picture first they did not




So what is the whole picture, Yoda, and is it really hard?

The whole picture is here:

1. Understand pot odds
2. Learn pot odds
3. Use pot odds.

Easy is number 1, easy is number 2, easy is number 3.

HOWEVER, if skip a step you do, or change the order you try, impossible to learn it will be.




Ok then…what does it mean to understand pot odds?

You must know:

i) Calculating two things, you are
ii) Changing the 2nd to the same form as the first, you are
iii) And weigh them, you will.

That is all.




Alright, I get that Master Yoda, now how do I learn pot odds?

3 hands of your own it will take you, poker stove and windows calculator you will need (a hand where you must draw to a flush or a straight you should use):

To get the left side of the scale: by the amount you have to call, you divide the entire pot

To get the right side of the scale: use pokerstove you must. By your own winning percentage, divide your opponent’s winning percentage


If heavier the left side is, call you must. If heavier the right is, Yoda says fooooold.




I still don’t get it?

Knowing is not enough, you must apply! Practice one hand you did not!




Well no I didn't….but what about rule of 4 and rule of 2?

Clouded your mind is…….Ignore them you will; no more will you learn today.




Thanks Yoda…one last thing…how will I learn to do this live without a calculator or poker stove?

When ready you are, easy it will be, if Yoda is your guide.





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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:14 pm

Perfect, so we have pot odds and hand equity.

then we convert 1 to match the other.

then we compare them.

Have you mastered this so far, or should we start here first?
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:17 pm

Can't hurt to start here. Smile

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:21 pm

sngking wrote:Can't hurt to start here. Smile
good answer, was kinda a trick question Wink

Pot odds: amount we win divided by the amount we call
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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:23 pm

do we know about the rule of 2 and 4....i think ih ave another thread on pfc with them?


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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:25 pm

JodaB. wrote:do you know about the rule of 2 and 4....i think ih ave another thread on pfc with them?

Yes, I Know this. Smile

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:30 pm

sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:do you know about the rule of 2 and 4....i think ih ave another thread on pfc with them?

Yes, I Know this. Smile
ok so imagine we are on the turn and facing a call of 100 with a pot of 200 and we have 9 outs....should we call?
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:37 pm

JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:do you know about the rule of 2 and 4....i think ih ave another thread on pfc with them?

Yes, I Know this. Smile
ok so imagine we are on the turn and facing a call of 100 with a pot of 200 and we have 9 outs....should we call?

No Question

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:39 pm

sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:do you know about the rule of 2 and 4....i think ih ave another thread on pfc with them?

Yes, I Know this. Smile
ok so imagine we are on the turn and facing a call of 100 with a pot of 200 and we have 9 outs....should we call?

No Question
what are our pot odds?
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:00 pm

JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:do you know about the rule of 2 and 4....i think ih ave another thread on pfc with them?

Yes, I Know this. Smile
ok so imagine we are on the turn and facing a call of 100 with a pot of 200 and we have 9 outs....should we call?

No Question
what are our pot odds?


This is where I have had to reread in the past as well, it's 2-1 unless the 100 is being added to the pot to make it 300.

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:03 pm

you are correct with 2 to 1.

Ok now what is our hand equity?
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:05 pm

JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:do you know about the rule of 2 and 4....i think ih ave another thread on pfc with them?

Yes, I Know this. Smile
ok so imagine we are on the turn and facing a call of 100 with a pot of 200 and we have 9 outs....should we call?

No Question
what are our pot odds?


This is where I have had to reread in the past as well, it's 2-1 unless the 100 is being added to the pot to make it 300.
you are correct with 2 to 1.

Ok now what is our hand equity?

18%

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:07 pm

right rule of 2 x9 = 18%

ok so how do we compare 2 to 1 with 18%?
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:12 pm

JodaB. wrote:right rule of 2 x9 = 18%

ok so how do we compare 2 to 1 with 18%?

Not good Razz

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:18 pm

sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:right rule of 2 x9 = 18%

ok so how do we compare 2 to 1 with 18%?

Not good Razz
ok so this is the ROOT of your issue with pot odds.

You have the basic idea, but not the complete circle understanding, without the complete circle its hard to practice them, but with practicing them its hard to fully grasp.


The last step is conversion, like miles and kilometer, pot odds and %.

It doesn't matter which we change but we can't compare the two if they aren't in the same form.
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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:20 pm

so we can change % to odds, or we can change the odds to % either way is fine.

Its best to master 1 way first before you learn the other way and get confused and forget.
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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:25 pm

We will change the % to odds.

This is the only tricky part so take your time with it

Since we can round a little we'll say 18% is roughly 20%

80/20 = 4 to 1


so we got 80 from subtracting 20 from 100 its always 100...
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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:28 pm

with me so far?
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:35 pm

JodaB. wrote:so we can change % to odds, or we can change the odds to % either way is fine.

Its best to master 1 way first before you learn the other way and get confused and forget.

I know it's just over 4-1.


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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:37 pm

JodaB. wrote:with me so far?


haha, ooops I posted before reading, see post above Very Happy

Sorry for slow answers, I am playing on full tilt and just won another sit n go cheers with the last hand basically using this topic!

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:40 pm

sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:so we can change % to odds, or we can change the odds to % either way is fine.

Its best to master 1 way first before you learn the other way and get confused and forget.

I know it's just over 4-1.

ha okok good then so we are losing 4 to 1 of the time but only getting 2 to 1 on our money.

you got this licked or you wanna see another.
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Post  sngking on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:42 pm

JodaB. wrote:
sngking wrote:
JodaB. wrote:so we can change % to odds, or we can change the odds to % either way is fine.

Its best to master 1 way first before you learn the other way and get confused and forget.

I know it's just over 4-1.

ha okok good then so we are losing 4 to 1 of the time but only getting 2 to 1 on our money.

you got this licked or you wanna see another.


Think I got er licked. Cool

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Post  JodaB. on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:44 pm

sngking wrote:

Think I got er licked. Cool
ok prove it then, find a situation, post the outs you think you have and your pot odds and convert them and compare them Wink
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