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3 bet CIB?

Post  Superman on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:45 pm

Villain is a bit aggro, and I have been less than TAG..

The power of position..

PokerStars Hand #94897792243: Tournament #709011336, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2013/03/02 10:42:07 PT [2013/03/02 13:42:07 ET]
Table '709011336 50' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: pepio1123 (1835 in chips)
Seat 2: gynaikologos (14811 in chips)
Seat 3: SPASSBIETER (18187 in chips)
Seat 4: Sharm31 (29908 in chips)
Seat 5: BajenPatte (16100 in chips)
Seat 6: flavioabbud (24525 in chips)
Seat 7: DennisBC (15885 in chips)
Seat 8: dramir100 (23820 in chips)
Seat 9: sn5555 (29843 in chips)
pepio1123: posts the ante 70
gynaikologos: posts the ante 70
SPASSBIETER: posts the ante 70
Sharm31: posts the ante 70
BajenPatte: posts the ante 70
flavioabbud: posts the ante 70
DennisBC: posts the ante 70
dramir100: posts the ante 70
sn5555: posts the ante 70
dramir100: posts small blind 300
sn5555: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DennisBC [Ts 9h]
pepio1123: folds
gynaikologos: folds
SPASSBIETER: calls 600
Sharm31: folds
BajenPatte: folds
flavioabbud: folds
DennisBC: raises 600 to 1200
dramir100: folds
sn5555: folds
SPASSBIETER: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [2h 7c Tc]
SPASSBIETER: bets 1800
DennisBC: raises 2400 to 4200
SPASSBIETER: calls 2400
*** TURN *** [2h 7c Tc] [Ad]
SPASSBIETER: bets 4800
DennisBC: raises 5615 to 10415 and is all-in
SPASSBIETER: folds

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Re: 3 bet CIB?

Post  JodaB. on Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:21 pm

This is why it wasn't a good idea to go over all that ha, itll be all good as long as you realize you are going to make mistakes while learning it. So your gonna make some less than "bcboy' optimal plays for a bit.

First thing, I see a limp and an iso Wink If thats true we should take a different range vs our opponents (extended value).

Here you range looks polarized to me at first because your hand ranks around 40%, but I doubt you have a flatting range (shouldn't) so you are actually using 40%(+) of the deck for this.

So when we min iso we don't expect a fold pre, this is something that is a downfall of the CIB 3bet as well, most don't fold to them. This means we make 0ev pre, and thefore our initial min raise must be counted as a flop cbet, so our flop cbet of 1/2 pot isn't getting 2 to 1 anymore, its going to include the money we risked in the iso pre.

On the flop, you raise which might be fine, but its hard to define as a value raise, as its hard for him to continue with worse other than clubs which can also be overs and a flush draw.

On the turn we say we are turning our hand into a bluff but bluff only work when we have the worst hand, so here I think you folded a worse hand thus your bluff might not have been successful.

It might seem to be a little disheartening at first to get to the turn and not be able to really bluff, but when when let the handstrength denote our actions they get quite easy and obvious and automatic


I was explain to a fellow grinder that with a short stack 10bbs etc, I will cbet K43 and fold with 92o , but never really with a4s and a bdfd

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Re: 3 bet CIB?

Post  JodaB. on Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:24 pm

our iso range here should be bw and pairs to start, the reason is showdown value. We want to imagine, we iso pre basically saying my range beats yours please call and then lets check it down. Then we cbet our nuts and air, and check/call our medium hands.

We can bet our nuts and air on the turn, and check call med

Same on river, and we expect to gain cause we usually have a pair or k or ace high, who cares about the board.

also 1325 is a better size than min raising, some they'll even fold to this, it gives us more initiative post and discourages a multiway flop
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Re: 3 bet CIB?

Post  Superman on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:42 pm

will digest this in a bit..still playing.

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