OMG look it's ICM
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Re: OMG look it's ICM
Malmuth-Harville -- divide 1st among the players according to chipstack, then divide 2nd by summing the cases where another player won 1st (multiplied by that probability) and the 2nd place prize divided according to remaining stacks... and so on for all prizes remaining. If I understand correctly, this is the ICM formula. (can you work it both directions -- notionally awarding the lowest prize first?)
Malmuth-Weitzman -- is similar except that as you notionally work from the lowest prize (figure chance of a player busting next), and divide those chips equally among the remaining players. The probability of a player busting out next is inversely proportional to his stack size. This method is "probably near the edge of some players' ability to calculate at the table" and seems to be favored as most accurate.
source 2+2 thread
FGS - used when aplayer already understands ICM completly. They can us FGS to extract hidden value in mid to higher stake games. I will look more into this when it become relevant to me.
right now i should just use the option in the pic, maybe when i move up i can use M/W to be more accurate when i understand this more.
Next post i will post a pic HR to understand some of the numbers displayed
Malmuth-Weitzman -- is similar except that as you notionally work from the lowest prize (figure chance of a player busting next), and divide those chips equally among the remaining players. The probability of a player busting out next is inversely proportional to his stack size. This method is "probably near the edge of some players' ability to calculate at the table" and seems to be favored as most accurate.
source 2+2 thread
FGS - used when aplayer already understands ICM completly. They can us FGS to extract hidden value in mid to higher stake games. I will look more into this when it become relevant to me.
right now i should just use the option in the pic, maybe when i move up i can use M/W to be more accurate when i understand this more.
Next post i will post a pic HR to understand some of the numbers displayed
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Re: OMG look it's ICM
ya right on, ill prob pay awice 100 bux to explain it all to me some time
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Re: OMG look it's ICM
Ok the Pic provided above is a chart for the hand i used earlier. this is the intial results of the simulation using ICM.(Cev is an auto jam). As we can see the hand in question (Q8) is not profitable in a perfect world, but with adjustments it becomes marginally profitable.
so what i want to understand is what this chart is telling me... if the q8o hand is -0.09, does that mean we on average we lose 9% of a BB or 9% of our tournament equity?
also am i right here? EQpre%- tournament equity before the hand & EQpost% - tournament equity after the hand.
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ya i think its tourney equity not sure if its just dollars or whatRWPKRPLR1 wrote:
Ok the Pic provided above is a chart for the hand i used earlier. this is the intial results of the simulation using ICM.(Cev is an auto jam). As we can see the hand in question (Q8) is not profitable in a perfect world, but with adjustments it becomes marginally profitable.
so what i want to understand is what this chart is telling me... if the q8o hand is -0.09, does that mean we on average we lose 9% of a BB or 9% of our tournament equity?
also am i right here? EQpre%- tournament equity before the hand & EQpost% - tournament equity after the hand.
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Re: OMG look it's ICM
earlier you said "i just use the calc these days." i thought u meant HR or did you mean a generic ICM calc?
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Re: OMG look it's ICM
ya the eqpre and post is tournament equity and is assuming everyone plays nash, i guess all my answers are in that thread.
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Re: OMG look it's ICM
no its correct the way it is, the calculator should adjust for it all. I did all the work you are doing before but I'm not fresh on it.
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