Re: Adjusting stack sizes

[JodaB.]

how about if we were all 5bbs effective?

[RWPKRPLR1]

fack did it wrong again lol
34.5
we need 1.9-1 rounded down

33+,A4s+,K5s+,Q6s+,J7s+,T7s+,96s+,86s+,76s,ATo+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o,98o all have better than 34.5% against this range

[JodaB.]

is this for 5.5 bbs?

[RWPKRPLR1]

no this is our calling range for 5 bb 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,82o+,73o+,63o+,53o+,43o

[RWPKRPLR1]

noticed i did something wrong in the 8bb example

[JodaB.]

no this is our calling range for 5 bb 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,82o+,73o+,63o+,53o+,43o

Ok so pretty much atc, which i would assume is profitable if we shoved vs the same calling ranges.

[RWPKRPLR1]

yup so does this 10% change if lets say were in the any other position?

[JodaB.]

Ok new question, lets Kto and 87s both have the same EV for calling a 3bet....why might Kto be a better hand to min raise call?

The same might happen with j2s vs T9s, the might have same EV to call a 3bet yet somehow J2s is a better open...why might that be?

[JodaB.]

yup so does this 10% change if lets say were in the any other position?

thats just a rando calling range we assigned for the example, it changes lots but don't worry about it for now.

[RWPKRPLR1]

Ok new question, lets Kto and 87s both have the same EV for calling a 3bet....why might Kto be a better hand to min raise call?

The same might happen with j2s vs T9s, the might have same EV to call a 3bet yet somehow J2s is a better open...why might that be?

it beats more combo's

[JodaB.]

Ok new question, lets Kto and 87s both have the same EV for calling a 3bet....why might Kto be a better hand to min raise call?

The same might happen with j2s vs T9s, the might have same EV to call a 3bet yet somehow J2s is a better open...why might that be?

it beats more combo's

that doesn't matter if the overall calling ev is the same right ?

[RWPKRPLR1]

guess not, i don't have an answer for this

[RWPKRPLR1]

way to win your last game!! loved the a5 triple up

[JodaB.]

guess not, i don't have an answer for this

blockers! does that make sense, not sure if asked it right

[RWPKRPLR1]

you prob did i just don't know about blockers, only heard of it here and there

[RWPKRPLR1]

so we gain equity if we have blockers

[JodaB.]

so we gain equity if we have blockers

Our min raises get through more, and therefore our shoves get through more.

But let me be clear

If shoving or min calling 78s is the same as KTo, then well...its the same

But min raising Kto is going to through more often than min raising 78s so naturally we expect it to be a decent hand.

The lesson to be learned is that Blocker hands (like broadway, Ax, Kx, Qx, some Jx) often gain alot of their equity from picking up the blinds more than other hands. This is why they are often +ev to shove.

[RWPKRPLR1]

so hands with blockers we should be min/calling and other should be open shoved

[JodaB.]

so hands with blockers we should be min/calling and other should be open shoved

no don't make any conclusions like that yet. Just be aware that blockers help us get through more which helps min raises and helps shoving.

[RWPKRPLR1]

ok ok  

[RWPKRPLR1]

well i guess have a good night!

so just a little recap for tonight...

our value ranges get wider as effective stacks get shorter
blockers help our hands get through
i need to work on my math
edit: we can raise/fold atc on the button

did i miss something?

[JodaB.]

our value ranges get wider as effective stacks get shorter

I don't like the term 'value' range because there are different uses for the word.

our min CALL range will likely be wider because we get such a good price on the call.

We need to now look at what happens when there is a short....so 10bbs eff antes on the bu, with a 5bbs shorty in the sb.

How does this change things assuming they each 3bet shove 10% and we are min raising just like the first examples?

[RWPKRPLR1]

Our ATC min raise range becomes a MC range but in two separate ranges

[JodaB.]

Our ATC min raise range becomes a MC range but in two separate ranges

So our min raise ATC stays the same?

Our calling ranges differ obv in that we all small blind looser (better price).

[RWPKRPLR1]

yup

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