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13left icm spot
I don't have a valid icm program right now, lets make the assumption villain is a weak losing supernova reg.
I wonder if someone can set up the icm in a program and we can talk about ranges for villain after and see different results
Seat 1: MadeByML (13678 in chips)
Seat 2: the-mackerel (25229 in chips)
Seat 3: Bonds252525 (22449 in chips)
Seat 4: chrisje76 (13573 in chips)
Seat 5: hero (50528 in chips)
Seat 8: sgtlion (11227 in chips)
Seat 9: aggrofürst (31762 in chips)
MadeByML: posts the ante 150
the-mackerel: posts the ante 150
Bonds252525: posts the ante 150
chrisje76: posts the ante 150
hero: posts the ante 150
sgtlion: posts the ante 150
aggrofürst: posts the ante 150
hero: posts small blind 800
sgtlion: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero[Ad Jc]
aggrofürst: folds
MadeByML: folds
the-mackerel: folds
Bonds252525: raises 20699 to 22299 and is all-in
chrisje76: folds
hero:
I wonder if someone can set up the icm in a program and we can talk about ranges for villain after and see different results
Seat 1: MadeByML (13678 in chips)
Seat 2: the-mackerel (25229 in chips)
Seat 3: Bonds252525 (22449 in chips)
Seat 4: chrisje76 (13573 in chips)
Seat 5: hero (50528 in chips)
Seat 8: sgtlion (11227 in chips)
Seat 9: aggrofürst (31762 in chips)
MadeByML: posts the ante 150
the-mackerel: posts the ante 150
Bonds252525: posts the ante 150
chrisje76: posts the ante 150
hero: posts the ante 150
sgtlion: posts the ante 150
aggrofürst: posts the ante 150
hero: posts small blind 800
sgtlion: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero[Ad Jc]
aggrofürst: folds
MadeByML: folds
the-mackerel: folds
Bonds252525: raises 20699 to 22299 and is all-in
chrisje76: folds
hero:
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Re: 13left icm spot
snap what h?Smoker.B. wrote:pretty easy snap, no?
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call.
i know u want ranges and all that crap that we base on assumptions, but i gotta go for now
can do later
i know u want ranges and all that crap that we base on assumptions, but i gotta go for now
can do later
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also, I assume you are CL with about 13 left
dont think this is that huge of an ICM play as its a 13bb shove 7 handed from a bad reg, and we are calling with less than half our stack
dont think this is that huge of an ICM play as its a 13bb shove 7 handed from a bad reg, and we are calling with less than half our stack
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we'll have to put it into an icm calc....
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just tried using my SNG wiz
man this program is #wackwackwack... V told me a long time its wrong, so im just gonna go off that and stop frustrating myself
man this program is #wackwackwack... V told me a long time its wrong, so im just gonna go off that and stop frustrating myself
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V told me its right.Smoker.B. wrote:just tried using my SNG wiz
man this program is #wackwackwack... V told me a long time its wrong, so im just gonna go off that and stop frustrating myself
so you did nothing and then decided doin nothing is best?
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JodaB. wrote:V told me its right.Smoker.B. wrote:just tried using my SNG wiz
man this program is #wackwackwack... V told me a long time its wrong, so im just gonna go off that and stop frustrating myself
so you did nothing and then decided doin nothing is best?
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yo
lets tckle this shit and get it done
where the icm calcs at?
lets tckle this shit and get it done
where the icm calcs at?
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https://vimeo.com/61403124
I whipped this up, I'm just getting used to the new calculator, but this hand has a decently long explanation that would be too tough to type up. I'm down with a fold here but I have the villain on a fairly tight range.
Basically I wanted to look at the hand from a chipev and a $ev point of view and compare them.
I whipped this up, I'm just getting used to the new calculator, but this hand has a decently long explanation that would be too tough to type up. I'm down with a fold here but I have the villain on a fairly tight range.
Basically I wanted to look at the hand from a chipev and a $ev point of view and compare them.
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watchd vid
how do u think hes capping his range in the CO with no stack on the puck and in the bb????????
how do u think hes capping his range in the CO with no stack on the puck and in the bb????????
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also, i think he has alot of Ax that we crush
and alot of pairs
really, really nitty fold
and alot of pairs
really, really nitty fold
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ok i literally watched the entire thing
i do not like the capped range u gave him at all ... like at all
giving way to much credit here, he could be shoving literally Kxs and maybe even weaker, ive seen it in these
gonna try and do my own tomorrow.
i do not like the capped range u gave him at all ... like at all
giving way to much credit here, he could be shoving literally Kxs and maybe even weaker, ive seen it in these
gonna try and do my own tomorrow.
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I've played 5 thousand hands with this player, did you even look to see how many you have played with him?Smoker.B. wrote:ok i literally watched the entire thing
i do not like the capped range u gave him at all ... like at all
giving way to much credit here, he could be shoving literally Kxs and maybe even weaker, ive seen it in these
gonna try and do my own tomorrow.
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we are all used to turning strat threads into emotional conflict. That is not allowed here and will be deleted instantly, and yes it IS censorship.Smoker.B. wrote:oh ok
so are we having a discussion on this and going over it or are you just telling me whats right and wrong and to be quiet otherwise?
Feel free to discuss the hand, and have me rebut your comments, don't be upset if I feel you are wrong, instead learn from it.
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AlfreD2 wrote:we are all used to turning strat threads into emotional conflict. That is not allowed here and will be deleted instantly, and yes it IS censorship.Smoker.B. wrote:oh ok
so are we having a discussion on this and going over it or are you just telling me whats right and wrong and to be quiet otherwise?
Feel free to discuss the hand, and have me rebut your comments, don't be upset if I feel you are wrong, instead learn from it.
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fine, got ya, ill shut my beak!
ty alfred!!
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What is the definition of capped range H?Smoker.B. wrote:ok i literally watched the entire thing
i do not like the capped range u gave him at all ... like at all
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JodaB. wrote:What is the definition of capped range H?Smoker.B. wrote:ok i literally watched the entire thing
i do not like the capped range u gave him at all ... like at all
capped range is a range we give villian based on history or circumstances
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No youre thinking of words like 'cut' range' or 'category' range.Smoker.B. wrote:JodaB. wrote:What is the definition of capped range H?Smoker.B. wrote:ok i literally watched the entire thing
i do not like the capped range u gave him at all ... like at all
capped range is a range we give villian based on history or circumstances
CAPPED range especially in this hand means we are cutting the top part of his range out. We dont' think he always shoves AA KK and QQ.
Why might we think that?
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JodaB. wrote:No youre thinking of words like 'cut' range' or 'category' range.Smoker.B. wrote:JodaB. wrote:What is the definition of capped range H?Smoker.B. wrote:ok i literally watched the entire thing
i do not like the capped range u gave him at all ... like at all
capped range is a range we give villian based on history or circumstances
CAPPED range especially in this hand means we are cutting the top part of his range out. We dont' think he always shoves AA KK and QQ.
Why might we think that?
no, we know he isnt shoving those hands, thats why its capped in this case, thats why I felt the range you gave him was way to tight
he isnt getting any value by shoving big hands here, he actually loses equity if his big shove gets thru with a big hand, he obv doesnt want this
I still think he could show up with something really funky here like Kxs and pairs too
i like this dicussion tho
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I you talking about this particular player that I have a 6 month+ history of playing every week, or are you just suggesting a random playing might show up with those hands?Smoker.B. wrote:
I still think he could show up with something really funky here like Kxs and pairs too
i like this dicussion tho
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JodaB. wrote:I you talking about this particular player that I have a 6 month+ history of playing every week, or are you just suggesting a random playing might show up with those hands?Smoker.B. wrote:
I still think he could show up with something really funky here like Kxs and pairs too
i like this dicussion tho
ok, i guess your range makes sense
i was speaking in generalities
i still dont get why u think this is such a huge icm play, pay bumps dont happen for another couple busts and your tourney life isnt at risk
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Not sure if you watched the video, maybe if you did try watching it again, sometimes we don't catch everything the first time.Smoker.B. wrote:
i still dont get why u think this is such a huge icm play, pay bumps dont happen for another couple busts and your tourney life isnt at risk
In the video I compared the math between 'no icm factors' and 'full icm factor', so you can see the difference between the few. This decision will land somewhere inbetween since we can't really say there is 'zero' icm considerations because we are very close to the final table.
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