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3betting construct

Post  JodaB. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:31 pm

What should my 3betting range be?

We'll look at oop hero on bb villian on button (H)

In general tho we have a few types of 3bet ranges:

Pure nuts or value

Extended value

Polarized (Nuts + Junk no medium hands)

Capped


What kind of range do we use verse what kind of opponent and what do we use vs H's 85% opening range?
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Re: 3betting construct

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:50 pm

First, What kind of range do we use verse what kind of opponent? Some of these are tough questions to get my head around....  Crying or Very sad 

Pure nuts or value - should be used against villians that never fold to 3 bets.

Extended value - should be used against villians that call too many 3 bets, and do not 4 bet bluff. These extended hands typically have too much equity to be 3 bet/folding.

Polarized (Nuts + Junk no medium hands) - Should be used against good villians who will adjust and exploit us if we only 3 bet our value hands.

Capped - Should be used against villains who are new to the game and will not see that you are capped. Should be used against villians who will not exploit us for it. Use against villians who dont call 3 bets often and either fold or 4 bet.

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Re: 3betting construct

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:52 pm

for the part about, what do you do vs this particular donk villain? lol

I think we want polarized since i know that he is good enough to exploit me if I only 3 bet my nuts.
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Re: 3betting construct

Post  JodaB. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:17 pm

REEBS77 wrote:First, What kind of range do we use verse what kind of opponent?  Some of these are tough questions to get my head around....  Crying or Very sad 
it gets easier and then once we understand we say 'easy game'!

Pure nuts or value - should be used against villians that never fold to 3 bets.
yes but often we can 3bet more than nuts if villain never folds their opening range.

Extended value - should be used against villians that call too many 3 bets, and do not 4 bet bluff.  These extended hands typically have too much equity to be 3 bet/folding.
Few players have fearsome 4bet bluff ranges this deep, its usually always for value or a really good player adjusting. Players that call to many 3bets are very similar to players that never fold to 3bets right?

Polarized (Nuts + Junk no medium hands) - Should be used against good villians who will adjust and exploit us if we only 3 bet our value hands.  
yes the trick is in many 3bet spots villain should technically never flat if they are good. Doesn't apply so much to bu/sb/bb but the idea is if they never flat we don't need a hand to bluff with, just a blocker etc.

Capped - Should be used against villains who are new to the game and will not see that you are capped.  Should be used against villains who will not exploit us for it.  Use against villains who dont call 3 bets often and either fold or 4 bet.
Capped ranges are usually never a good idea but if villain is spewy preflop and aggressive we might check call AA, but usually vs such a player they will 4 bet a spewy range so we would want to 3bet anyways.

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Re: 3betting construct

Post  JodaB. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:23 pm

REEBS77 wrote:for the part about, what do you do vs this particular H?  lol
fyp

I think we want polarized since i know that he is good enough to exploit me if I only 3 bet my nuts.
We know hes opening 85%, but we need to know what they will do with that range when we 3bet.

What hands might they 4bet....what hands might they flat? What hands they might fold?
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Re: 3betting construct

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:13 pm

Thing is, I really dont know what H will 4 bet/flat/fold.  I can pretend to know, but I really have 0 hand history to draw upon.  If i had to guess I would say that when we 3 bet, H is:


4 betting:  TT+, AK+, plus some random trash
Flatting: 99-22,AQs-A2s,KQs-K2s,QJs-Q2s,JTs-J4s,T9s-T6s,98s-95s,87s-85s,76s-75s,65s-63s,54s-52s,43s-42s,32s,AQo-A2o,KQo-K5o,QJo-Q7o,JTo-J7o,T9o-T8o,98o-97o,87o-86o,76o-75o,65o-64o,54o
Folding:  J2s,T5s-T2s,94s-92s,84s-82s,74s-72s,62s,K4o-K2o,Q6o-Q2o,J7o-J2o,T6o-T2o,96o-92o,85o-82o,74o-72o,63o-62o,53o-52o,43o-42o,32o

Edit:  Sorry if I am insulting you H  ... lmao.  I really dont have a clue what you would do vs me. And yes, this 3bet flatting range seems ridic wide to me too. Very Happy
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Re: 3betting construct

Post  JodaB. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:30 pm

REEBS77 wrote:Thing is, I really dont know what H will 4 bet/flat/fold.  I can pretend to know, but I really have 0 hand history to draw upon.  If i had to guess I would say that when we 3 bet, H is:


4 betting:  TT+, AK+, plus some random trash
Flatting: 99-22,AQs-A2s,KQs-K2s,QJs-Q2s,JTs-J4s,T9s-T6s,98s-95s,87s-85s,76s-75s,65s-63s,54s-52s,43s-42s,32s,AQo-A2o,KQo-K5o,QJo-Q7o,JTo-J7o,T9o-T8o,98o-97o,87o-86o,76o-75o,65o-64o,54o
Folding:  J2s,T5s-T2s,94s-92s,84s-82s,74s-72s,62s,K4o-K2o,Q6o-Q2o,J7o-J2o,T6o-T2o,96o-92o,85o-82o,74o-72o,63o-62o,53o-52o,43o-42o,32o

Edit:  Sorry if I am insulting you H  ... lmao.  I really dont have a clue what you would do vs me.  And yes, this 3bet flatting range seems ridic wide to me too.  Very Happy
ok seems like they are flatting around 50+ and folding around 40% or so?
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Re: 3betting construct

Post  JodaB. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:32 pm

so to construct our 3betting range we have to ask if we are going to play postflop often?
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Re: 3betting construct

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:46 pm

JodaB. wrote:so to construct our 3betting range we have to ask if we are going to play postflop often?

JEP! against this guy we are! Wink
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Re: 3betting construct

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:48 pm

So are you going to suggest vs H we can 3 bet an extended value range?
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Post  JodaB. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:43 pm

REEBS77 wrote:So are you going to suggest vs H we can 3 bet an extended value range?
given the ranges you gave seems like a good idea since we see postflop so much.

easy game?

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Re: 3betting construct

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:04 pm

JodaB. wrote:
REEBS77 wrote:So are you going to suggest vs H we can 3 bet an extended value range?
given the ranges you gave seems like a good idea since we see postflop so much.

easy game?


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