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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:27 pm

how about if we were all 5bbs effective?
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Re: Adjusting stack sizes

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:41 pm

fack did it wrong again lol
34.5
we need 1.9-1 rounded down

33+,A4s+,K5s+,Q6s+,J7s+,T7s+,96s+,86s+,76s,ATo+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o,98o all have better than 34.5% against this range

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:44 pm

is this for 5.5 bbs?
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:48 pm

no this is our calling range for 5 bb 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,82o+,73o+,63o+,53o+,43o

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:48 pm

noticed i did something wrong in the 8bb example

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:00 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:no this is our calling range for 5 bb 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,82o+,73o+,63o+,53o+,43o
Ok so pretty much atc, which i would assume is profitable if we shoved vs the same calling ranges.

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:01 pm

yup so does this 10% change if lets say were in the any other position?

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:03 pm

Ok new question, lets Kto and 87s both have the same EV for calling a 3bet....why might Kto be a better hand to min raise call?

The same might happen with j2s vs T9s, the might have same EV to call a 3bet yet somehow J2s is a better open...why might that be?
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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:04 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:yup so does this 10% change if lets say were in the any other position?
thats just a rando calling range we assigned for the example, it changes lots but don't worry about it for now.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:08 pm

JodaB. wrote:Ok new question, lets Kto and 87s both have the same EV for calling a 3bet....why might Kto be a better hand to min raise call?

The same might happen with j2s vs T9s, the might have same EV to call a 3bet yet somehow J2s is a better open...why might that be?

it beats more combo's

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:19 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:
JodaB. wrote:Ok new question, lets Kto and 87s both have the same EV for calling a 3bet....why might Kto be a better hand to min raise call?

The same might happen with j2s vs T9s, the might have same EV to call a 3bet yet somehow J2s is a better open...why might that be?

it beats more combo's
that doesn't matter if the overall calling ev is the same right ?
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:21 pm

guess not, i don't have an answer for this

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:24 pm

way to win your last game!! loved the a5 triple up

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:24 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:guess not, i don't have an answer for this
blockers! does that make sense, not sure if asked it right
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:26 pm

you prob did i just don't know about blockers, only heard of it here and there

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:33 pm

so we gain equity if we have blockers

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:40 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:so we gain equity if we have blockers
Our min raises get through more, and therefore our shoves get through more.

But let me be clear

If shoving or min calling 78s is the same as KTo, then well...its the same

But min raising Kto is going to through more often than min raising 78s so naturally we expect it to be a decent hand.

The lesson to be learned is that Blocker hands (like broadway, Ax, Kx, Qx, some Jx) often gain alot of their equity from picking up the blinds more than other hands. This is why they are often +ev to shove.
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:43 pm

so hands with blockers we should be min/calling and other should be open shoved

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:50 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:so hands with blockers we should be min/calling and other should be open shoved
no don't make any conclusions like that yet. Just be aware that blockers help us get through more which helps min raises and helps shoving.

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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:51 pm

ok ok Shocked Wink

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Re: Adjusting stack sizes

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:14 pm

well i guess have a good night!

so just a little recap for tonight...

our value ranges get wider as effective stacks get shorter
blockers help our hands get through
i need to work on my math
edit: we can raise/fold atc on the button

did i miss something?


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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:18 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:

our value ranges get wider as effective stacks get shorter
I don't like the term 'value' range because there are different uses for the word.

our min CALL range will likely be wider because we get such a good price on the call.

We need to now look at what happens when there is a short....so 10bbs eff antes on the bu, with a 5bbs shorty in the sb.

How does this change things assuming they each 3bet shove 10% and we are min raising just like the first examples?
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Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:28 pm

Our ATC min raise range becomes a MC range but in two separate ranges

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Post  JodaB. on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:31 pm

RWPKRPLR1 wrote:Our ATC min raise range becomes a MC range but in two separate ranges
So our min raise ATC stays the same?

Our calling ranges differ obv in that we all small blind looser (better price).
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Re: Adjusting stack sizes

Post  RWPKRPLR1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:32 pm

yup

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