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Post  REEBS77 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:34 am

Here, I would like to discuss all things donk....

When do you donk bet?
Against who?
What board textures?
What stacks?
Value heavy or bluff heavy?

Also, typical opinions on what other peoples donks represent....

I watched one of the best vids I've ever seen yesterday by squee and just want to ensure I captured everything properly and I think this is a great way to do it.

I will update my thoughts on the questions above after I hear from u guys...
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Post  Smoker.B. on Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:09 am

Every time I bet it's a donk bet, regardless if I lead or not  Mad Mad Mad 
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Post  REEBS77 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:33 am

Smoker.B. wrote:Every time I bet it's a donk bet, regardless if I lead or not  Mad Mad Mad 

Donk Razz
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Post  Smoker.B. on Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:59 am

Also, not to be a hate, but squee recently quit pokerzz for a real job

Lol poker
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Post  REEBS77 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:42 am

Smoker.B. wrote:Also, not to be a hate, but squee recently quit pokerzz for a real job

Lol poker

Edit: Deleted to keep thread on topic.
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Post  REEBS77 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:11 am

Okay well I am going to look through my database tonite, but I would be willing to bet that my donking range was 100% for value in the past. I just didnt have a donk bluffing range really. Obviously not optimal, but I do not think that it's uncommon by any means.

So a few of my thoughts quickly off the top of my head:

- Adam went through his db and found he won 34/38 opportunities where he donk bet and it didnt go to showdown. Think about that for a bit. Thats unreal!
- We want to have both donk bluffs and donks for value to keep balanced.
- We want to check stats before donking - fold to donk, cbet %, RFI by position, check-raises, etc
- We want to donk when our range smacks the flop way harder than OR's range, but we have little or no equity. Ex. MP TAG opens, we flat KJs from BB, flop comes 953r. Boom, we donk this. We have way more value hands in our flatting range than MP does in his opening range (villian dependant obv).
- Should we consider donk betting less often with strong value hands, since it seems to get so many folds? Board texture will change our plans though?....
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Post  REEBS77 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:36 pm

Squee aluded to another topic which i think can be very valuable....

Lets say a reg opens from the btn and we flat from the bb and flop comes A69r.  Should we donk this flop with our complete air?  Technically speaking we should hit that flop harder than btn opener.  Reg on the btn could easily open ~70% of hands, and we really should only be flatting/playing about half that.  Therefore we have the ace more often...
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Post  JodaB. on Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:02 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:Every time I bet it's a donk bet, regardless if I lead or not  Mad Mad Mad 
ive been calling it an h-bet.
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Post  JodaB. on Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:04 pm

REEBS77 wrote:Squee aluded to another topic which i think can be very valuable....

Lets say a reg opens from the btn and we flat from the bb and flop comes A69r.  Should we donk this flop with our complete air?  Technically speaking we should hit that flop harder than btn opener.  Reg on the btn could easily open ~70% of hands, and we really should only be flatting/playing about half that.  Therefore we have the ace more often...
maybe expand on these ranges preflop and post.
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Post  REEBS77 on Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:48 am

I plan on it ... When I get some time this week I'm gunna post examples and results from me trying it out this weekend a bit . I think it's hard to spit out hypothetical ranges and the above was just roughly speaking.... Examples HHs kick ass IMO
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Post  Smoker.B. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:59 am

JodaB. wrote:
Smoker.B. wrote:Every time I bet it's a donk bet, regardless if I lead or not  Mad Mad Mad 
ive been calling it an h-bet.

 Sad Sad Sad Sad 

 No No 
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Re: Donk Betting

Post  JodaB. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:02 am

REEBS77 wrote:  I think it's hard to spit out hypothetical ranges and the above was just roughly speaking
It might seem overwhelming at first but we should be able to work out a preflop raiser range, our flatting range vs that person, and our donking range.

A hh is just a vaccum example, maybe like reebs in bb joda on the button 100bbs deep no antes. Or we wanna look at 15bbs with antes or something?
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Post  Smoker.B. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:52 pm

i am now even in my head calling it H betting and H range

FU JODA !  Evil or Very Mad 

lets get this discussion going, reebzy post a hand we can look at, stop slowrolling us ffs

 Rolling Eyes 
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Post  JodaB. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:46 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:i am now even in my head calling it H betting and H range

FU JODA !  Evil or Very Mad 

lets get this discussion going, reebzy post a hand we can look at, stop slowrolling us ffs

 Rolling Eyes 
well lets see h is on the button, random in sb, and reebs in bb

Give us your opening range and we'll look at what we might flat.

Whats your opening range (doesn't matter if i agree or not just give your opinion)?
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Post  Smoker.B. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:37 pm

JodaB. wrote:
Smoker.B. wrote:i am now even in my head calling it H betting and H range

FU JODA !  Evil or Very Mad 

lets get this discussion going, reebzy post a hand we can look at, stop slowrolling us ffs

 Rolling Eyes 
well lets see h is on the button, random in sb, and reebs in bb

Give us your opening range and we'll look at what we might flat.

Whats your opening range (doesn't matter if i agree or not just give your opinion)?

how many bb are we effective?

could be ATC if we are deep enough
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Post  JodaB. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:51 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:

how many bb are we effective?
well lets say 100 to be standard

could be ATC if we are deep enough
yes we know you are horatio and therefore like to give many poker phrases.

Range?
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Post  Smoker.B. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:05 pm

i still dont get why im H to you  Question 

anyways, ill open say 85% of the deck
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Post  JodaB. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:44 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:i still dont get why im H to you  Question 

anyways, ill open say 85% of the deck
ok so pretend ur in button and opening 85%, what should we flat in bb if sb folds?
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Post  Smoker.B. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:57 pm

like 85% to stay balanced against my opening range (H range)
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Post  JodaB. on Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:23 pm

Smoker.B. wrote:like 85% to stay balanced against my opening range (H range)
so ur flatting 85%?

reebs?
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Re: Donk Betting

Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:18 am

Wats ur sizing tho h?
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Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:19 am

Also is there antes?
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Post  REEBS77 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:32 am

If h min raises, I ain't folding since I know I can outplay him post flop Wink

I prob 3 bet somewhere around a 15% range in this spot, which is hopefully balanced between bluffs and value but prob more value.... Flat the rest except maybe the major off suited trash that I don't wanna play so much oop ... So I play prob 95% of hands if h min raises.

If he raises more than a min raise, the amount I flat drops
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Post  Smoker.B. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:48 am

REEBS77 wrote:If h min raises, I ain't folding since I know I can outplay him post flop Wink




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Post  Smoker.B. on Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:48 am

REEBS77 wrote:Wats ur sizing tho h?

80% of the time, I open min, every time
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