J9s flop top pair

[REEBS77]

should I be raising just over min or something instead?

PokerStars - $5+$0.50|5000/10000 Ante 1250 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 162,756 (VPIP: 15.19, PFR: 9.46, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 79)
MP: 130,160 (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 18.10, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 120)
CO: 210,706 (VPIP: 15.46, PFR: 13.98, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 98)
BTN: 534,732 (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 46)
SB: 233,445 (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
Hero (BB): 184,184

6 players post ante of 1,250, SB posts SB 5,000, Hero posts BB 10,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 22,500) Hero has  9:heart: J:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 22,000, Hero calls 12,000

Flop: (51,500, 2 players)  J:spade: 7:spade: 7:diamond:
SB bets 28,000, Hero raises to 160,934 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 107,500

[REEBS77]

dont all jump at once.....   

[RWPKRPLR1]

Haven't studied ICM enough, so I'm prob way off here..


If we CIB, he jams, we can fold...
If we CIB, he calls, we can jam any turn that's not a A,K,Q..


edit: I like the CIB Better than jamming just for the fact we have a chance to save some of our Tournament eq. if he wakes up

[JodaB.]

jammin!

[RWPKRPLR1]

jammin!

Boss!!
i got late game probs  

[JodaB.]

i just think its too good to raise fold, we have too much equity after we 3bet. Cib is ok but only if we know opponent folds sometimes to a cib. Flatting is good to, but were kinda short so there isn't much room and if we don't have postflop reads we're not going to be confident we can outplay their range better than jamming will do.

[RWPKRPLR1]

i just think its too good to raise fold, we have too much equity after we 3bet.  Cib is ok but only if we know opponent folds sometimes to a cib. Flatting is good to, but were kinda short so there isn't much room and if we don't have postflop reads we're not going to be confident we can outplay their range better than jamming will do.

another case of me simply over thinking it! I'm with ya on the no post flop play, but in this case I was thinking ICM adjusts that...   

[REEBS77]

Ya if I cib it woulda been to get it in not to fold. And I'd do it cus I thought villain could spaz out with weaker

[JodaB.]

another case of me simply over thinking it! I'm with ya on the no post flop play, but in this case I was thinking ICM adjusts that...   

I think you mean that icm doesn't want us to call off our stack. But that doesn't mean to suggest that in spot we call we know fold. It means we want to take lines where we put the calling pressure on villain and take it off us. Having to 3bet/fold a pretty hand in icm is a line we usually avoid all together, so we will either shove or flat.

[JodaB.]

Ya if I cib it woulda been to get it in not to fold.  And I'd do it cus I thought villain could spaz out with weaker

ya with reads for sure we would do this, without them I dunno, my worry is villain is opening like 20% BW pairs and aces. That not to tough of a range to go against but we semi short we no reads given. The thing about flatting pre is we never win the pot, so we are forced to gain post by fold equity and value, which is doable but I'd rather do it with reads.

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